D&D (2024) Player's Handbook 2024 Table of Contents

Ted from Nerd immersion has shared the Table of Contents for the new Player's Handbook:

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[Parmandur]

The fact remains that I cannot complete my cleric with the PHB. It would be simplicity itself to put in a single page with the list of the four common pantheons. One page would allow me to create a cleric without needing to go outside of the PHB to finish.

Why can’t you? The only thing you need mechanically is in there. What God, gods, or force provides that is Setting specific...and the DMG will provide that.

 

[Maxperson]

Why can’t you?

Because I need a god to complete the character. Can't be completed with the 2024 PHB.

The only thing you need mechanically is in there. What God, gods, or force provides that is Setting specific...and the DMG will provide that.

A character is more than mechanics. Background is fluff. It's in the PHB. I guarantee you that racial fluff will be in there. You aren't going see just the name Elf and then elf mechanics with nothing else. Class fluff will be there as well. You can't argue that the PHB is mechanics only when there is a ton of fluff in it.

 

[sevenbastard]

Rules in the front is great, easy to find in play. Kudos for bucking tradition.

Of course my 2014 PHB came with the great feature where the binding didn't hold up and I could just remove the rules section foe ease of use.

 

[Maxperson]

Who is forcing you to do anything? The gods will be in the DMG. RAW, you don't need a god. I don't get the angst here at all.

I want to be able to make my cleric using only the PHB. I can't do that with the 2024 PHB. I can do it with the 3e PHB, the 3.5e PHB, the 4e PHB, and the 5e PHB. It's a step backwards to give me an incomplete PHB and require me to go outside of it to finish a character.

 

[Charlaquin]

The fact remains that I cannot complete my cleric with the PHB. It would be simplicity itself to put in a single page with the list of the four common pantheons. One page would allow me to create a cleric without needing to go outside of the PHB to finish.

If you’re refusing to play a cleric without choosing a named god, despite that explicitly being an option, it’s your own fault that there are things you personally “need” to play a cleric that aren’t in the PHB. The cleric can be played out of the PHB; this is no different than saying the 2014 PHB was incomplete because you only play death clerics and the death domain was in the DMG.

 

[Charlaquin]

Anyway, the new order looks much better. I do wish it was still species then background then class, but I understand most people choose in the opposite order, so it makes sense to have the rules show up in the order most players are going to need them.

 

[Maxperson]

If you’re refusing to play a cleric without choosing a named god, despite that explicitly being an option, it’s your own fault that there are things you personally “need” to play a cleric that aren’t in the PHB.

No. I reject the notion that I must play some cleric of a nebulous philosophy in order to play a cleric using only the PHB. Especially since the class mentions gods as the primary way to play a cleric.

In fact, if the fluff matches the playtest, I have to have a god, pantheon or other immortal. A philosophy isn't even on the list.

The cleric can be played out of the PHB; this is no different than saying the 2014 PHB was incomplete because you only play death clerics and the death domain was in the DMG.

No. I could pick whatever god I wanted from a huge number that were listed in the 2014 PHB. There were also domains to pick for subclasses. The PHB doesn't become incomplete because every possible subclass isn't in it. Your logic is bad there.

 

[Charlaquin]

No. I reject the notion that I must play some cleric of a nebulous philosophy in order to play a cleric using only the PHB.

But no one is forcing you to do that. You are the one refusing to use an option the book provides you with, and then complaining that the book is incomplete for not providing you an option that you’re willing to use.

Especially since the class mentions gods as the primary way to play a cleric.

Does it though? We haven’t seen the descriptive text of the class in the new PHB yet.

No. I could pick whatever god I wanted from a huge number that were listed in the 2014 PHB. There were also domains to pick for subclasses. The PHB doesn't become incomplete because every possible subclass isn't in it. Your logic is bad there.

There were options to pick from for subclasses in 2014, just as there are options to pick from for where you get your powers from in 2024. None of the subclasses you could choose from in 2014 were the death domain, just as none of the sources of power you can choose from in 2024 are gods. In both cases, the PHB does provide everything a player needs to play the class. It’s on you that you refuse to play the class with any of the options that are provided in the PHB.

 

[Maxperson]

But no one is forcing you to do that. You are the one refusing to use an option the book provides you with, and then complaining that the book is incomplete for not providing you an option that you’re willing to use.

There.....is.......no......option.

"Blessed by a deity, a pantheon, or another immortal entity, a Cleric can reach out to the divine magic of the Outer Planes..."

Okay. Let's see. Blessed by a deity. I'll just leaf through this PHB here and pick a deity. Oh, wait. There ain't any. Fine. I'll just leaf through and pick a pantheon. Oh, wait. There ain't any. Fine. I guess I'm stuck with an immortal. Leafing through the PHB.......and there ain't any.

There are no options provided by the PHB for me to complete the cleric.

Does it though? We haven’t seen the descriptive text of the class in the new PHB yet.

We have the playtest, which is what I have to go by at this point. Even so if it does mention the philosophy, and I believe it was a mistake for the 2014 PHB to leave that option out, if the new players handbook mentions gods or pantheons, it's incumbent on it to provide them in the PHB to pick from. It's horrible design to mention an option and then say............."Syke! Fooled you!"

 

[Veltharis ap Rylix]

There.....is.......no......option.

"Blessed by a deity, a pantheon, or another immortal entity, a Cleric can reach out to the divine magic of the Outer Planes..."

Okay. Let's see. Blessed by a deity. I'll just leaf through this PHB here and pick a deity. Oh, wait. There ain't any. Fine. I'll just leaf through and pick a pantheon. Oh, wait. There ain't any. Fine. I guess I'm stuck with an immortal. Leafing through the PHB.......and there ain't any.

There are no options provided by the PHB for me to complete the cleric.

Your character presumably has a home town/city/nation too, but you don't need those details in the PHB to "complete" your character. That's setting information that changes from table to table and campaign to campaign, not core mechanical rules that can be reasonably assumed to apply pretty much anywhere.

The gods are the same. When you decide to play a cleric, you decide "I'm going to play a character who draws on divine magical power through their faith", then in whichever order you prefer, you choose how that power manifests for you (your domain) and look to the divine powers relevant to the setting you're playing in to determine which god (or other force) would be most appropriate to provide that power.

Leaving it at "a cleric draws power from their faith" for the core rules and letting the setting material take it from there seems a sensible way to go to me.