D&D 5E wis Warlocks and con Sorcerers

[Corinnguard]

Use the variant abilities from the DMG!

Warlocks cast with Sanity
Paladins cast with Honor
Sorcerers cast with Constitution
Clerics cast with their Piety rank, no abilities.

How do these variant abilities work compared to the spellcasting abilities already in use?

 

[Marandahir]

How about Int Sorcerers? Basically get the Psion then…

 

[Indagare Nogitsune]

There could be Orgone (ORG), the seventh ability, dedicated solely to spellcasting ability.

 

[Gorck]

I recently posted in another thread (I forget which one) my notes for a CON-based Sorcerer. The gist of it was: they use CON as their casting stat, they use the Power Point system from the DMG, and they can “overchannel” by spending HP in place of PP. Unfortunately, I’m at work right now and the file is on my home computer. Maybe I’ll remember to repost it when I get home. Also, it’s designed for 2014, so I might need to tweak it for 2024 once I get the book.

 

[CreamCloud0]

if i was picking a new stat for warlock it would be INT not WIS, warlocks feel almost antithetical to WIS IMO, i very much do not see them as being, to quote the OP 'masters of common sense', these are people who intentionally or not (either method is a strike against them) have meddled with entities far beyond their understanding and gone onto bargain themselves and their services for a quick path to power and knowledge, they're smart but with a complete lack of sense, their inteligence is only a gateway into letting them screw up in bigger and more dangerous ways.

 

[FrogReaver]

if i was picking a new stat for warlock it would be INT not WIS, warlocks feel almost antithetical to WIS IMO, i very much do not see them as being, to quote the OP 'masters of common sense', these are people who intentionally or not (either method is a strike against them) have meddled with entities far beyond their understanding and gone onto bargain themselves and their services for a quick path to power and knowledge, they're smart but with a complete lack of sense, their inteligence is only a gateway into letting them screw up in bigger and more dangerous ways.

I mean I don’t think intelligence makes a great pact stat either. Intelligent people generally aren’t making pacts with otherworldly beings.

 

[CreamCloud0]

I mean I don’t think intelligence makes a great pact stat either. Intelligent people generally aren’t making pacts with otherworldly beings.

i don't see why not, INT in DnD is more about knowing stuff rather than having good judgement (WIS), it's like that quote "your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could that they never considered if they should" smartness and sensibility are not correlated.

 

[FrogReaver]

i don't see why not, INT in DnD is more about knowing stuff rather than having good judgement (WIS), it's like that quote "your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could that they never considered if they should" smartness and sensibility are not correlated.

sure. Yet if they did think about it I think they’d have generally better judgement due to their int.

 

[steeldragons]

I kind of feel that "Wisdom" for a cleric caster is a cow....a sacred one, even. (Heh. Cleric. Sacred. Not intentional.)

I would look at things comme ci,
Intelligence casters: Wizard (default/primary), Druid (secondary, there's a LOT of knowledge that has to go into, not just the lore/learning of nature/the wild - the animals and their behaviors/habits/habitats, the right plants for eating or healing (or poisoning), simply the names/recognizing of all the trees for gods' sakes (forget about fantasy world types), reading the weather, moving unnoticed/finding one's way, etc... etc... but, also, knowing/remembering/being able to repeat the techniques and attunement to the natural world to "focus magic into existence/change." Druid really should be an Int (or, maybe, Cha) caster. That same knowing/remembering/repeating things argument, I think, could be made for an Int. Sorcerer (if one insists on having such a class).
Wisdom casters: Cleric (default/primary), (in keeping with the thread) Warlock (secondary).
Charisma casters: Bard (default/primary), Paladin (secondary)

The problem I see with extending caster stats into Constitution, is that then you are moving into "physical attribute" land. And Dexterity and Strength do not lend themselves, easily/obviously, to types of spell casting/casters.

 

[Tonguez]

I do like the idea of a Warlock being more reliant on Insight into a Patrons goals and intent in order to utilise their boon, it makes for a nice roleplay hook which is sorely missing from Warlock-Patron dynamics as is.

Having Scorcerers be about Concentration is fitting and the idea of the big robust gym-fit guy being a powerful spellcaster amuses me too, so lets see more High Con High Str Sorcerers out there flexing on their enemies