Spoilers Star Wars: The Acolyte [Spoilers]

[Zardnaar]

I got the impression that when he went to the dark side, they fought and he lost. She thought she had killed him, which is why she is surprised that he is still alive and explains the scar.

Overall, though, she's not that good. Not evil, but not good.

Poor judgment doesn't make you good or evil. It just makes you foolish. He meant well and I would term him good. The death of Osha's mother happened when the mother was starting to discorporate and was taking Osha with her. That was an evil act, but one evil act doesn't change someone from good to evil. He genuinely felt like he was saving her.

I think that overall Sol was good.

Neither one of them initiated the evil that happened at the temple. They were trying to save Sol. If they weren't good, what happened would not have struck them so hard that they needed to withdraw like that.

She did it to save Sol and Osha, though. And tried very hard not to kill Mae when they fought. She died trying to save an innocent from being killed.

He seemed very LN to me.

I agree.

Wrong movie, but I can see how you could confuse them with the force and schwartz and all.

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How was Oshas mother evil?

He basically broke into their home and killed her due to gross stupidity.

 

[Belen]

Something about the Star Wars films I noted to friends a long time ago: the Jedi use lies, and the Sith use truth.
Obi-Wan (and Yoda to a lesser degree) lies to Luke about who his father was and who Darth Vader is. Vader tells Luke the truth.
In Attack of the Clones, Count Dooku tells Obi-Wan the (incomplete) truth about Darth Sidious controlling the Senate.
In Revenge of the Sith, Palpatine reveals himself as the Sith Lord to Anakin. Obi-Wan and Yoda (with Bail) devise the lie about the outcome of Padme's pregnancy.

This pattern continues in The Acolyte. The Jedi cover things up and conceal the truth from Osha. Mae (an agent of the Sith) comes forward to reveal the truth.

Bull.

Palpatine had manipulated Anakin since childhood and was sending him the visions of Padme dying.

Palpatine only used “truth” when he could twist it to serve evil.

 

[pukunui]

Bull.

Palpatine had manipulated Anakin since childhood and was sending him the visions of Padme dying.

Palpatine only used “truth” when he could twist it to serve evil.

Indeed. When the Jedi lie, it’s generally with good intentions and for the (albeit misguided) purpose of protecting the person they’re lying to. (I would argue that Vernestra lying to the Jedi High Council and the Senate is different.)

When the Sith tell the truth, it is usually not the whole truth and is usually for the purpose of manipulating someone’s emotions. They’re the “I’m just being honest” types. Vader told Luke the truth about being his father not because he merely wanted Luke to know the truth but because he wanted Luke to join him as a dark sider.

The Sith always have sinister ulterior motives and employ the truth as a weapon.

 

[MarkB]

Indeed. When the Jedi lie, it’s generally with good intentions and for the (albeit misguided) purpose of protecting the person they’re lying to. (I would argue that Vernestra lying to the Jedi High Council and the Senate is different.)

When the Sith tell the truth, it is usually not the whole truth and is usually for the purpose of manipulating someone’s emotions. They’re the “I’m just being honest” types. Vader told Luke the truth about being his father not because he merely wanted Luke to know the truth but because he wanted Luke to join him as a dark sider.

The Sith always have sinister ulterior motives and employ the truth as a weapon.

What it basically comes down to is that the Jedi are unpractised at deception and so generally haven't mastered the art of hiding a lie within a truth, whereas to the Sith such things come naturally.

 

[pukunui]

What it basically comes down to is that the Jedi are unpractised at deception and so generally haven't mastered the art of hiding a lie within a truth, whereas to the Sith such things come naturally.

Yes, the Jedi tend to fall into the “You can’t handle the truth so I must lie to protect you!” way of thinking, whereas the Sith are happy to tell the truth as long as it benefits them. Even as they speak the truth, they often lie by omission. We have no reason to believe Palpatine wasn’t being truthful about Plagueis, but what he didn’t tell Anakin was that he was the apprentice in that story. And he only told Anakin that story to plant the seed of doubt that the Jedi were keeping secrets from him.

 

[Kaodi]

Have you ever heard of Filmore's? They featured it as well. It's a flat iron style building at Dundas and George, in downtown Toronto. Fleabag hotel and strip joint that's pretty famous/infamous. It's also a 10 minute walk from my desk, though I only walk past it on my way to one of our further buildings, that's about 5 minutes past it.

Filmore's

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I was not familiar with it but I think I Googled it after (or during) watching that episode to see if it was a real thing, XD .

 

[Maxperson]

How was Oshas mother evil?

He basically broke into their home and killed her due to gross stupidity.

She wasn't. I was saying there that Sol killing her was an evil act. I can see where you could read it like taking Osha with her was an evil act. That wasn't what I meant.

 

[Ryujin]

She wasn't. I was saying there that Sol killing her was an evil act. I can see where you could read it like taking Osha with her was an evil act. That wasn't what I meant.

I'd call it a mistake, rather than actively evil. He mistook her actions for an attack. That they screwed up enough to be at that juncture was arrogance and stupidity, but not evil.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

What it basically comes down to is that the Jedi are unpractised at deception and so generally haven't mastered the art of hiding a lie within a truth, whereas to the Sith such things come naturally.

I wouldn’t say “naturally” I don’t think Force Deviousness is an actual Dark Side power. It has to be learned like any other non-magical skill. But I don’t think it’s on the curriculum in the Jedi Temple.

 

[Reynard]

On balance,I liked it. It wasn't perfect but it was good, and the martial arts was great. Bring on Season 2.