Hill Giant errata from the sage....

[Grazzt]

I fired off a letter to the sage about the Cha score. It is 7, not 17. Here ya go:


"Hill giants have a Charisma of 17 listed in the MM. I am assuming this is a typo as it does not fall into line with the rest of the giants. It should be "Cha 11" correct?

SAGE:
The correct Charisma score is 7. "

 

[Henry]

WOW! They're bigger losers than I thought!

 

[IceBear]

Should post this in the Rules Forum too.

IceBear

 

[EricNoah]

I'll make a copy of this thread and put it over there.

 

[Gromm]

WOW! They're bigger losers than I thought!

I always thought it was 7 myself. It was a typo, nothing more. Someone just hit 1-7 instead of just 7.

 

[Crothian]

There goes my sorcerer Hill Giant, but on the good side I guess my wife didn't run off with the Hill Giant after all. Hopefully, that will become official errata at some point.

 

[Wolf72]

you can still have a sorcerer hill giant ... just use the base NPC stats from the DMG then add in the modifiers ... oh wait that'll only get you a CHA 11 ... um then give it a higher stat in cha ... a hill giant sorc would make a great npc.

 

[Crothian]

you can still have a sorcerer hill giant ... just use the base NPC stats from the DMG then add in the modifiers ... oh wait that'll only get you a CHA 11 ... um then give it a higher stat in cha ... a hill giant sorc would make a great npc.

I had one in my first campaign and it was great. It took a while for the PCto realize the spells were coming from a Hill Giant (and that 17 base Cha was really helpful).

 

[Caliban]

you can still have a sorcerer hill giant ... just use the base NPC stats from the DMG then add in the modifiers ... oh wait that'll only get you a CHA 11 ... um then give it a higher stat in cha ... a hill giant sorc would make a great npc.

It certainly would. And the monsters in the MM are generally the weakest, most common version of that monster.

If you stat them out like a PC using point buy, they are generally build on 14 or 15 points. Up that to the points you use for PC's in your game, and you can get a pretty nasty sorcer.

Average Hill Giant stats:

Str 25, Dex 8, Con 19, Int 6, Wis 10, Cha 7

This give us stat mods (with size modifiers included) of:

Str + 14, Dex -2, Con +8, Int -4, Wis +0, Cha -4

25 point buy Hill Giant Sorcerer at 1st level ( 3 points on Dex, 6 points on Int, and 16 points on Cha):

Str 22, Dex 9, Con 16, Int 10, Cha 14

As an 8th level sorcerer he could have a 16 Cha, and give him the Eagle's Splendor spell so he can pump it up to 20 for 8 hours at a time...

He might be considered a CR 15 encounter, with the appropriate spells. (CR 7 for a hill giant, +8 for eight levels of sorcerer.)

 

[Wolf72]

It certainly would. And the monsters in the MM are generally the weakest, most common version of that monster.
...

real stats (v avg) for > orcs ... kobolds ... ogre's ... ogre Magi ...

don't forget fiendish and 1/2 stuff, then a whole slew of things from the MotP ...


ah the power of the PHb, DMG and MM