D&D (2024) Warlock Patron at 3rd Level Makes Sense

[DavyGreenwind]

It makes sense to me at least. There are many different stories to tell and ways to explain it. Here are two that come immediately to mind.

1. You made a pact at level one with your patron, but they have only given you a small measure of power to test your mettle. By reaching 3rd, you have proven yourself worthy of more unique abilities.

2. You made a pact with some lesser entity: a Bone Devil, a lesser fey noble or a hag, or some star spawn, and did well, but they have no more power to give you and put you in touch with something greater.

Does this make sense to people?

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Not really.

It would be like telling a cleric- don’t worry about your deity until level 3.

The patron, imo, is fundamental to the class. It’s the very essence of why you’re a warlock.

 

[Lojaan]

Makes perfect sense to me. You don't get to meet the boss until you have proven you've got the stuff.

I personally like the idea that warlocks often don't know who their patrons are until, well, until it is usually too late.

 

[Lojaan]

Not really.

It would be like telling a cleric- don’t worry about your deity until level 3.

The patron, imo, is fundamental to the class. It’s the very essence of why you’re a warlock.

More like telling a cleric don't expect any special treatment from your god, or initiation into greater mysteries, until you have proven yourself capable of handling basic pantheon responsibilities.

But hey, different people are bugged by different things because of how the rules either support or conflict with how they imagine the imaginary world. I don't have a conflict with this so it doesn't bother me at all.

A quarterstaff being listed as versatile however - that drives me completely, teeth gnashingly insane.

I imagine that if wotc came out with a fluff reason for these rules, like "clerics of levels 1-2 are known as 'petitioners' because they have not yet been chosen as representatives of their gods", or "quarterstaves in this world are actually 3-4' long walking sticks, and not, you know quarterstaves", then it would go along way to mending these rifts.

 

[Vaalingrade]

It makes sense only to that very specific narrative, which was possible the old way too, plus allowed for other backstories.

But hey, if we're going to guarantee most people just skip what has been turned into the tutorial levels, this is a way.

 

[Lojaan]

It makes sense only to that very specific narrative, which was possible the old way too, plus allowed for other backstories.

But hey, if we're going to guarantee most people just skip what has been turned into the tutorial levels, this is a way.

This is a good thing. You don't get points for starting at level 1. If you are experienced and want to start at a higher level then that should be normalized.

 

[Vaalingrade]

This is a good thing. You don't get points for starting at level 1. If you are experienced and want to start at a higher level then that should be normalized.

Or we could have actual tutorial levels and let everyone have all 20 levels of game they paid for.

 

[Emberashh]

Or we could have actual tutorial levels and let everyone have all 20 levels of game they paid for.

My precise reasoning for adapting DCCs funnels in my own RPG.

 

[Lojaan]

Or we could have actual tutorial levels and let everyone have all 20 levels of game they paid for.

Hahahahaha!

 

[Lojaan]

My precise reasoning for adapting DCCs funnels in my own RPG.

Funnels are the best