D&D (2024) Reworked…revised…redone….but

[mamba]

That ought to put to bed the idea that the 2024 PHB isn't at least a half edition change. It won't, but it ought to.

the number of changes is not as relevant as the magnitude of the changes.

 

[Maxperson]

the number of changes is not as relevant as the magnitude of the changes.

Did you read the OP? It's implied that the magnitude is equal to a full next edition.

 

[mamba]

Did you read the OP? It's implied that the magnitude is equal to a full next edition.

yes, at no point does it mention magnitude, in fact it does point out that it is not magnitude by saying that the term used is reworking and that the result is compatible

"In fact he goes so far as to imply that there is as much change as there has ever been from one core to another. (Reworking I think is the exact term he uses). But now that it’s backwards compatible"

 

[Parmandur]

Did you read the OP? It's implied that the magnitude is equal to a full next edition.

The magnitude of how much h of the text has been rewritten.

Bases on the previews that dripped today, literally every line of text has been rewritten, even when the rules are substantially the same.

 

[Maxperson]

yes, at no point does it mention magnitude, in fact it does point out that it is not magnitude by saying that the term used is reworking and that the result is compatible

He says the change is equivalent to going from 2e to 3e. You don't get there with just small changes.

"In fact he goes so far as to imply that there is as much change as there has ever been from one core to another. (Reworking I think is the exact term he uses). But now that it’s backwards compatible"

The bold there makes the changes equivalent in magnitude to going from 2e to 3e. As much change as that required.

 

[Maxperson]

The magnitude of how much h of the text has been rewritten.

Bases on the previews that dripped today, literally every line of text has been rewritten, even when the rules are substantially the same.

If that's true then he spoke poorly. The quote implies magnitude.

 

[mamba]

He says the change is equivalent to going from 2e to 3e. You don't get there with just small changes.

and if you believe that this is talking about magnitude of the changes, you have not taken a look at any playtest material and ignore the fact that the two (2014 and 2024) are compatible

The bold there makes the changes equivalent in magnitude to going from 2e to 3e. As much change as that required.

no it doesn't, that is percentage of change / rework in terms of word count

I am fine with believing him that as much of the text was reworked percentage wise, to clarify it.

 

[Parmandur]

If that's true then he spoke poorly. The quote implies magnitude.

No, he was quite clear: the text is a complete rewrite (serioualy, look at the previews like Treantmonks: no paragraph seems to be intactas it was in 2014), but the rules remain interoperable.

 

[Micah Sweet]

yes, at no point does it mention magnitude, in fact it does point out that it is not magnitude by saying that the term used is reworking and that the result is compatible

"In fact he goes so far as to imply that there is as much change as there has ever been from one core to another. (Reworking I think is the exact term he uses). But now that it’s backwards compatible"

Now, now, we all can bold whatever parts of a statement support our argument best.

 

[mamba]

Now, now, we all can bold whatever parts of a statement support our argument best.

what supports the argument that the changes between 2014 and 2024 have a much smaller magnitude than those between 2e and 3e best is the fact that the two are compatible, unlike 2e and 3e, and none of the playtest material contained anywhere remotely near that magnitude of changes.

I bolded that part because it aligns with what we know. Not because there was an even chance to interpret it and I liked that one better