What makes an TTRPG a "Narrative Game" (Apocalypse World Discussion)

[Neonchameleon]

When was it made and when was the "Story Now" thing written?

Edwards said "recently" GNS theory was a mistake he regrets from the Forge days.

Spoiler: Language

GNS was around 2000; the main Narrativism essay was 2003. Apocalypse World came out in 2010.

And GNS was a mistake. The N part was a good mission statement. Fitting everyone into three categories isn't and the S category was a complete mess.

 

[LesserThan]

S category was a complete mess.

So what really is STORY NOW, if S category was such a mess? I said similar in the DaggerHeart NARRATIVE GAME thread.

What changes does the STORY NOW fix for the S?

 

[darkbard]

Never mind. I misunderstood your post. Mea culpa!

 

[LesserThan]

Never mind. I misunderstood your post. Mea culpa!

You turned me into a cat, because now I am curious.

I will take a culpa as well, if it is mocha.

 

[darkbard]

You turned me into a cat, because now I am curious.

I will take a culpa as well, if it is mocha.

Oh, I thought you were mistakenly thinking the S of Simulationism stood for Story Now.

 

[LesserThan]

Oh, I thought you were mistakenly thinking the S of Simulationism stood for Story Now.

I did get it wrong!
Game
Narrative
Simulation

I was thinking S for Story.

Glad GNS is dead, I screwed that one up.

 

[soviet]

I did get it wrong!
Game
Narrative
Simulation

Still wrong.

Gamism
Narrativism
Simulationism

 

[LesserThan]

Still wrong.

Gamism
Narrativism
Simulationism

Pedant.

 

[Neonchameleon]

So what really is STORY NOW, if S category was such a mess? I said similar in the DaggerHeart NARRATIVE GAME thread.

What changes does the STORY NOW fix for the S?

Absolutely nothing because Story Now (as cross posted) is the goal of Narrativism, which is where almost all The Forge's major successes were. Simulationism is another category entirely and was a grab bag of things rather than coherent.

 

[soviet]

Pedant.

Well you say that but this very thread has been a lesson in why that precision matters. People have used 'narrative' to mean a much wider set of things than just 'narrativism' describes.

And it's Pedantism