Jack Daniel
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Isn't that everything in Men & Magic ....Ah, you're right, it's in Men & Magic, it's just not explained beyond a brief parenthetical found right there on the equipment table entry.
I note that the "miscellaneous adventuring gear hammerspace" you describe is exactly how OD&D, B/X, and AD&D approach mundane supplies... The idea that tracking rope and spikes and flasks of oil and torch weight individually is important was largeIy adopted mid-OSR as a way to revitalize the low level dungeon exploration style of play...
I'd place a good part of the influence around it on the game "Torchbearer" even...
That simplification/abstraction from Moldvay is taken from 1974 OD&D (page 15).Yeah, see the whole "80 cn misc. gear" thing from Moldvay? That's a thing that, prior to the appearance of Old-School (née B/X) Essentials circa 2018, could be called TSR D&D's best-kept secret. It seems to have gone totally under the radar in OSR circles prior. The impression I get from OSR blogs and forums is that most folks glossed over its existence in Moldvay Basic entirely and didn't even know about it until relatively recently.
Not least because it's not in BECMI, it's not in Holmes, and to my knowledge, it's not in AD&D or 3LBB either.
I imagine this is since the 3 big B/X retroclones - Basic Fantasy, LotFP, and Lab. Lord all bolted on a more detailed encumbrance system to the B/X chassis. Nobody played with the "real" encumbrance rules until OSE released them unmodified.Yeah, see the whole "80 cn misc. gear" thing from Moldvay? That's a thing that, prior to the appearance of Old-School (née B/X) Essentials circa 2018, could be called TSR D&D's best-kept secret.
In some places. Kinda. In the PHB it emphasizes the importance and the LLB (#'s) to Coins system (now made weirder by the connection to weight lifting by STR) to try to make sense of things. It then offers movement rates (where encumbrance is supposed to live) that list gear based on rough sizes of gear collections "normal gear" or "heavy gear"... but I don't think the PHB includes an item weights.AD&D is the first edition to really try to clamp down on encumbrance, giving specific values for most gear, not just armor and weapons and treasure.
OSRIC hopes to do something similar for OSRIC 3. I think the kickstarter was pushed to early 2025.So I picked up the PDFs for OSE Advanced and yeah this is it this is D&D. The format is amazing. It’s clear and easy to read and understand. Well organized. This is the mountaintop.
While I’m sure I’ll play more 5E and AD&D here and there, OSE has me sold.
Not to mention its well supported as well.
This thread seems as good a place as any to ask: what is a great adventure for running in AD&D 2E from the OSR? I am looking for something in the 4th to 7th level range that could last maybe a half dozen sessions.
ETA for clarity: I would be using just the core books for AD&D 2E, not the splats or Skills and Powers.