D&D (2024) The 2014 vs 2024 PHB Compatibility Thread

[Minigiant]

Oh no, the PCs win. How will I deal from this crushing setback to my DMing?

The Players didn't love it but tolerated as the guardswere NPC henchmen they commanded to fight artificially added foes for a test.

Had it been one PC cratering foes in the ground all-day stealing the main spotlight, they'd be upset

 

[mamba]

That isn't really accurate based on what we've seen, it will likely be as painless as it was in the UA iterations, particularly the latter ones.

I am not sure what you mean, why can I not use a 2014 class and subclass char alongside a 2024 class and subclass char without some level of pain (not sure how painless 'as painless' is, but it sounds like it is not zero pain)

 

[TwoSix]

The Players didn't love it but tolerated as the guardswere NPC henchmen they commanded to fight artificially added foes for a test.

Had it been one PC cratering foes in the ground all-day stealing the main spotlight, they'd be upset

<shrug> I’ve had a Champion Fighter and a Twilight Cleric in the same party. None of the new stuff rises to that level of difference, and no one in my game cared.

If people actually care, that’s what targeted magic items are for.

 

[Parmandur]

I am not sure what you mean, why can I not use a 2014 class and subclass char alongside a 2024 class and subclass char without some level of pain (not sure how painless 'as painless' is, but it sounds like it is not zero pain)

We've already seen in the playtest that it is as simple as choosing an older Subclass...they even simply tokf people to use Tasha's Subclasses as the "playtest" since they weren't overhauling them (as confirmed today about the Psychic Warrior). There isn't really a disconnect, you can run a 2014 Necromancer on a 2024 base Class.

All they said about compatibility is that a 2024 Character would need access to 2024 rules for combat: Nothing in the older Subclasses poses an issue.

 

[mellored]

I am not sure what you mean, why can I not use a 2014 class and subclass char alongside a 2024 class and subclass char without some level of pain (not sure how painless 'as painless' is, but it sounds like it is not zero pain)

IMO.

Most will move over without any changes. The levels are the same and they just add options.

Many others just need to move the first feature to level 3. Clerics and druids just wait a little bit.

But there is probably a few that reference a core feature or rule that might of changed. Or might depend on a bonus action that is seeing heavier use in the base class. Or need some power adjustments.

 

[Parmandur]

IMO.

Most will move over without any changes. The levels are the same and they just add options.

Many others just need to move the first feature to level 3. Clerics and druids just wait a little bit.

But there is probably a few that reference a core feature or rule that might of changed. Or might depend on a bonus action that is seeing heavier use in the base class. Or need some power adjustments.

None last I checked: there was an odd interaction with one Bard Aubclass in the first iteration, but that was resolved by the second draft as I recall.

 

[Parmandur]

So, Christian Hoffer has confirmed directly with WotC that 2014 Subclasses will work on 2024 Base Classes. Given that we already know thst there is a sidebar explaining how to use older book Species and Backgrounds, it seems likely there will be an explanation for Subclass integration (like for Clerics getting rheir stuff at 3rd).

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@SlyFlourish since you had asked. Thisnis good news for third party content creators, too.

 

[Azzy]

A big reason why I'm not bothering with 5.5. I have far too much 3pp I enjoy that would be messed with in the new order.

Sayonara, WotC.

Oh, c'mon... You already ditched 5e. Like this is news for maybe all of one person.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Oh, c'mon... You already ditched 5e. Like this is news for maybe all of one person.

Mod Note:

Disagree with the other poster, but don’t make it personal, please. If your dispute with your fellow ENWorlder is long-standing, perhaps you should quietly use your ignore list to minimize your interactions with them.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

Do you happen to remember anyone / any group reporting about playing with the same class, 2014 version and 2024 version, in the same party?

That's the core of my concern based on my read of UA thus far.

Yeah, we did. I think we did it with both Paladins and Warlocks (different subclasses, though) AND we often used non-playtest subclasses and non-playtest species (though mostly Monsters of the Multiverse ones) while playtesting. I never had any problems with any of it. I think whoever it was (sorry if I don't give credit where credit is due here) who said that if 2014 balance between classes is 1d10, then 2024 is 2d4 is pretty accurate. There's a bit of "power creep" when it comes to the average character, but the ceiling has been brought down. You can certainly build a 2014 character who can hold its own in a 2024 party - heck, if you powergame, you can probably "beat" them.

This is, of course, all assuming that 2024=OneD&D Playtest, which we can probably safely bet that it will be about 85% the same. We shall see.