Take A Look At Pathfinder 2's Revamped Magic System!

This blog post got me hyped! Everything in here looks awesome, especially the formatting of the spells, which is very nostalgic for me as a 4e fan.

 

[Charlaquin]

Same. If those are the 4 lists they mention on the front page of playtest website, and casters get access to 1 or 2 of the lists each, I think that's a pretty cool system.

The fact that the spells have strong keywords in the top-left of their description make me thinking that granting access to spells by keyword is also going to be a thing. Maybe some class have one list, but certain feats/archetypes grant you access to all spells with a certain keyword from any list.

Siefter said that part of the reason they included some of the more destructive necromancy spells under Material Essence was because necromancy specialist wizards would have been sad otherwise. So I’m guessing it won’t be as simple as spell school specialists getting access to spells of their school outside of their essences.

 

[Charlaquin]

My guess is
Bard:Mental or Mental/Vital
Cleric: Spiritual/Vital
Druid: Material/Vital
Paladin: Spiritual
Ranger: Vital
Sorcerer: Material/Mental
Wizard: Material/Mental

Once they add psychics, they’ll be Mental/Spiritual. That leaves Material/Spiritual as an unused combination and I’m not really sure what class might use that. I guess maybe Sorcerer, but I’m expecting they’ll share the same spell list as wizards.

 

[Connorsrpg]

Same. If those are the 4 lists they mention on the front page of playtest website, and casters get access to 1 or 2 of the lists each, I think that's a pretty cool system.

The fact that the spells have strong keywords in the top-left of their description make me thinking that granting access to spells by keyword is also going to be a thing. Maybe some class have one list, but certain feats/archetypes grant you access to all spells with a certain keyword from any list.

Yeah - this has me excited too. As stated above, that is pretty much how we did our 3E spell lists. It worked very well. Though we had a lot more spell descriptors (kind of more like the Spheres from 2E).

 

[R_Chance]

Yeah - this has me excited too. As stated above, that is pretty much how we did our 3E spell lists. It worked very well. Though we had a lot more spell descriptors (kind of more like the Spheres from 2E).

Spheres from 2E is what this reminded me of, if, as you say, a simpler version of it. I like the idea and its certainly cleaner than assembling customized lists for every class. New spells can be popped onto a appropriate list and you instantly know what classes can access them. I like the tie in with actions and components as well.

I wonder how Wizards will fare in terms of the total number of available spells they can access vs. PF1 if they only have access to half the lists. Either their lists will have more spells or the new PF2 Wizard will be somewhat more limited in spell variety than in PF1. Although I never checked on the raw number of spells available to each class, it always seemed the Wizards had the widest variety / number of spells possible. Am I wrong about that? Well, we will see I suppose.

 

[Stacie GmrGrl]

This blog post has me even more excited for 2e than anything else before it. This magic is like 4e's system but reimagined in a way that people will like.

 

[Jhaelen]

I really like this, tho they make the spell descriptions very convoluted - so much so that the blog initially had the heightened examples incorrect. It will be confusing to a fair number of people as evidenced by the questions in the comments.

Yup. Describing a spell's effect in a single sentence is impossible. Every player of a spellcasting character will need to have the complete text available at all times.
In that regards it's similar to D&D 4e. The spell block doesn't look quite as elegant to me, though.

It does make the spells look more exciting and may also mean they remain useful for a wider range of character levels.

What I definitely dislike, though, is the idea of 10th level spells. Who wants a wizard casting wishes all day? I don't. Hopefully, most campaigns will end way before their players get access to 10th level spells.
Also, what about using scrolls? Can I just buy a bunch of wish scrolls and cast the spell from them? That would be utterly terrible.

 

[TwoSix]

What I definitely dislike, though, is the idea of 10th level spells. Who wants a wizard casting wishes all day? I don't. Hopefully, most campaigns will end way before their players get access to 10th level spells.
Also, what about using scrolls? Can I just buy a bunch of wish scrolls and cast the spell from them? That would be utterly terrible.

Considering most campaigns end well before anyone gets 9th level spells, I don't think that will be much of an issue.

 

[CapnZapp]

Goodbye, Pathfinder, nice knowing what you used to be. Now they've become their own RPG system completely irrelevant to the last.

Care to explain...?

 

[CapnZapp]

I like this in general. I am just slightly worried about how non-casters are supposed to keep up when even cantrips level up.

Play a caster and stop worrying

 

[Aldarc]

What I definitely dislike, though, is the idea of 10th level spells. Who wants a wizard casting wishes all day? I don't. Hopefully, most campaigns will end way before their players get access to 10th level spells.

Perhaps I have missed something, but how is that different from getting Wish from 9th level spells in PF1 or D&D?