Spoilers Star Trek: Deep Space Nine

[MarkB]

One thing I do wish had been different is making life beyond the wormhole a little different than in the Alpha Quadrant. As it was, the planets and people were basically the same as could be encountered by The Enterprise or the crew of ang other show.

I'm not really sure what that would look like in a Star Trek show but it's an interesting thought experiment!

Star Trek has its weird Progenitors / convergent evolution thing to explain why pretty much everyone in the galaxy looks like humans with wibbly foreheads, so it does tend towards the generic. Would've been nice to see a bit more variation though.

 

[beta-ray]

As Sisko says, “it’s easy to be a saint in paradise.”

I think this is my favorite line from DS9 and encapsulates a large theme of the series well (in relation to other Trek shows).

DS9 is my favorite Trek show (though to be fair I haven't watched more than two episodes of Discovery; a couple of episodes of Lower Decks; and season 1 of Strange New Worlds). I think all of the main characters had great character arcs and development from the start til the end. It was a "darker" Trek series so some of my friends didn't like it, but I thought it was more thoughtful and explored things more in depth than the series that preceeded it (and the two that came after).

 

[Smackpixi]

A lot of folks disliked the show because it broke Trek-isms like one ship and crew, and Rodenberry's utopia optimism, but I think it wasn't either of those things. The real culprit was exceptionalism, particularly for an American audience.

As a hater, I disagree.

A lot of this had to do with the rise of serial television over episodic, but at the same time Trek was breaking a mold and moving into telling more nuanced story telling. The moraly grey aspects often appeared to chafe the utopia Gene set up, but I think it goes well beyond that in expectation of an exceptional crew blowing through a straw galaxy. YMMV

I think the serial over episodic had something to do with it. But as a hater, the problem was that DS9 was ultimimatly about everyone’s character development and relationships. That’s why people like it, I think, because the characters I find super irritating were there every episode and the relationships with them developed. You discover they’re not as one dimensional as they seem. If you have the patience, and care about these people. Not much in this thread about weird things in the universe, lots about the characters on the show.

If you liked the TNG episodes about the crew, about Troi, or the Crushers, probably DS9 also for you. But I had no interest in those, I wanted them to find weird new things, the episodes about themselves were blah. The problem with DS9 for the haters is that the show did much more navel gazing and character development and much less strange new worlds. My dorm floor in college was dork loaded and we disliked DS9 because it was more about people, and less about the strange universe. Who cares about these people, let’s here some weird stuff about a new planet.

Oh right, season 3 leads up to Worf joining. It’s still my

I will give it another try someday, thanks for hints for where to start. I am understanding why people like this show I don’t. Maybe I can find a way in.

 

[payn]

As a hater, I disagree.

I think the serial over episodic had something to do with it. But as a hater, the problem was that DS9 was ultimimatly about everyone’s character development and relationships. That’s why people like it, I think, because the characters I find super irritating were there every episode and the relationships with them developed. You discover they’re not as one dimensional as they seem. If you have the patience, and care about these people. Not much in this thread about weird things in the universe, lots about the characters on the show.

If you liked the TNG episodes about the crew, about Troi, or the Crushers, probably DS9 also for you. But I had no interest in those, I wanted them to find weird new things, the episodes about themselves were blah. The problem with DS9 for the haters is that the show did much more navel gazing and character development and much less strange new worlds. My dorm floor in college was dork loaded and we disliked DS9 because it was more about people, and less about the strange universe. Who cares about these people, let’s here some weird stuff about a new planet.


I will give it another try someday, thanks for hints for where to start. I am understanding why people like this show I don’t. Maybe I can find a way in.

Well I think you laid down some good reasons you didn’t like the show. You want more fantastic elements of space exploration and DS9 is more of a political intrigue with space back drop. It does have those fantastic elements but at its heart it’s a character driven story about humanity.

 

[Umbran]

Star Trek has its weird Progenitors / convergent evolution thing to explain why pretty much everyone in the galaxy looks like humans with wibbly foreheads, so it does tend towards the generic. Would've been nice to see a bit more variation though.

Yeah, but the 1990s really didn't have the technology to do that in an affordable manner.

The animated shows (Prodigy and Lower Decks) embrace that life is a little more diverse, because they only need to draw the stuff. Like, hey, Cetacean Ops!

 

[Umbran]

My starting point is S3. Enter Worf and show takes off.

No, no. The show takes off when Sisko shaves his head, and the whole thing is thus more streamlined.

 

[BookTenTiger]

No, no. The show takes off when Sisko shaves his head, and the whole thing is thus more streamlined.

Hm... Sisko's shaved head, Riker's beard... Is Captain Pike's amazing hair how Strange New Worlds avoided the rough first seasons of TNG and DS9???

 

[Umbran]

Hm... Sisko's shaved head, Riker's beard... Is Captain Pike's amazing hair how Strange New Worlds avoided the rough first seasons of TNG and DS9???

If we allow that Kes' unfortunate pixie cut was the basic problem on Voyager... maybe you are onto something.

 

[GreyLord]

The first two seasons of DS9 were actually quite boring at parts. In fact, up to half of Season 3 even. Season 4 and onwards are great!

Season 1 of Voyager is many times more boring than anything in DS9. The premier was GREAT! and then it was like they blew everything they had, the writers, the scripts, anything of interest on that an it was...boring.

Season 1 of TNG was never really boring, there were some rather questionable and cringe worthy scripts, but I wouldn't say it was boring. Really picked up in Season 3 though.

Discovery season 1 was 10 episodes long...and I swear they STILL included a filler episode or 2 for no real reason!

I'm one of the rare ones that Love Picard...so no commenting anymore...

 

[Zardnaar]

The first two seasons of DS9 were actually quite boring at parts. In fact, up to half of Season 3 even. Season 4 and onwards are great!

Season 1 of Voyager is many times more boring than anything in DS9. The premier was GREAT! and then it was like they blew everything they had, the writers, the scripts, anything of interest on that an it was...boring.

Season 1 of TNG was never really boring, there were some rather questionable and cringe worthy scripts, but I wouldn't say it was boring. Really picked up in Season 3 though.

Discovery season 1 was 10 episodes long...and I swear they STILL included a filler episode or 2 for no real reason!

I'm one of the rare ones that Love Picard...so no commenting anymore...

I liked Picard more than the internet. It wasn't as boring as the other ones early on. Wasn't great though.