Stacking metamagic...help!

[Cephid]

I am making a sorcerer/incantertrix and have pleanty of meta magic feats.

How do they stack?

Can I cast a empowered/maximised fireball? (when I get improved metamagic this seems quite possible.)
If I do, would it do 15d6 all as 6's for 90 damage?

Also, does 'instant metamagic' (Incantertrix 7) increase spell level? It seems it doesn't, but that would make quickened disintergrate possible.

What are some other good metamagic feats to get?
Twin spell seems good and Chain spell looks good with Charm, suggestion, targeted dispel magic and orb spells. Are these any good?
Also, is easy 'meta magic' worth taking? I thought with quicken spell, but that would mean 2 feats to cast (int mod +3) spells quickened per day. Wasteful? Powerful?

Thanks heaps for any help. Any advice would be appreciated.

 

[Crothian]

How do they stack?

Can I cast a empowered/maximised fireball? (when I get improved metamagic this seems quite possible.)
If I do, would it do 15d6 all as 6's for 90 damage?

You can stack meta magic feats but they only apply to the base spell. So you would empower the fireball that gives +5d6 damage, and maximize would give you 60. So you end up with 60+5d6.

 

[Cephid]

You can stack meta magic feats but they only apply to the base spell. So you would empower the fireball that gives +5d6 damage, and maximize would give you 60. So you end up with 60+5d6.

Thanks mate. Any help with the other stuff?

 

[Hypersmurf]

You can stack meta magic feats but they only apply to the base spell.

Strictly:

a/ You can apply multiple metamagic feats to one spell (though not one metamagic feat more than once).
b/ An empowered, maximized spell gains the separate benefits of each feat: the maximum result plus one-half the normally rolled result.

With interactions between pairs of feats other than empower and maximize, the results are debated.

-Hyp.

 

[ThirdWizard]

With interactions between pairs of feats other than empower and maximize, the results are debated.

Obvioulsy the widened maximized fireball only does maximum damage in the normal area.

EDIT: And of course the enlarge energy substitution (electricity) fireball just outside of normal range is half fire!

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Obvioulsy the widened maximized fireball only does maximum damage in the normal area.

EDIT: And of course the enlarge energy substitution (electricity) fireball just outside of normal range is half fire!

That's what I was going to say ...

 

[Dracandross]

Strictly:

a/ You can apply multiple metamagic feats to one spell (though not one metamagic feat more than once).


-Hyp.

Wording makes me wonder is it allowed to use sudden A + A feats on same spell. I cant rember was it forbidden or just plainly against the spirit of the rule.

-Dracandross

 

[kjenks]

Obvioulsy the widened maximized fireball only does maximum damage in the normal area.

EDIT: And of course the enlarge energy substitution (electricity) fireball just outside of normal range is half fire!

You may think that's "obvious" and "of course," but consider a few other combinations:

Heighten Spell + Maximize + Fireball. What's the save DC? What's the damage?

Silent Spell + Widen Spell + Fireball. Is the whole spell silent?

Quicken Spell + Empower Spell + Magic Missile. Is only part of the spell cast as a swift action?

Check out the Main 3.5e FAQ, page 25 of the latest update. It says that Energy Admixture + Maximize Spell + Scorching Ray deals double its maximized damage.

On Andy Collins' board, he said that the PH rule about Empower Spell + Maximize Spell is an exception to the general rule on metamagic feat stacking.

If that Emp + Max example from the PH were applied to Energy Admixture + Maximize Spell + Scorching Ray, it would deal max damage of the base [Fire] type and you'd need to roll the dice for the other energy type. But the FAQ says that's not what you do.

 

[Cephid]

Clearly in the 'still to be settled' box. DM's discression seems appropriate.

Could I get a hand with my other questions?
What are the 'Must have' meta magic feats for sorcerer or Incantertrix?

Is easy metamagic worth the extra feat?

does 'instant metamagic' (Incantertrix 7) increase spell level?

Thanks heaps

 

[Infiniti2000]

Wording makes me wonder is it allowed to use sudden A + A feats on same spell. I cant rember was it forbidden or just plainly against the spirit of the rule.

It's against the spirit of the rule for sure. I'm positive we all agree on that. Just think about combining sudden A + divine metamagic A + A.