Pathfinder 2E Release Day Second Edition Amazon Sales Rank

[Parmandur]

Which is nearly double XD

Relative growth, in absolute numbers....not so much. The concerning issue at this juncture is that it is well over the average time of a campaign, and PF1E is still many times more active.

 

[Justice and Rule]

I mean, it's grown, but it's still a fraction of the active PF1E community, and smaller than other RPG Subreddits, like Call of Cthulu.

It's not that nobody plays it, or is buying it, but it is not what Pathfinder was, or could have been.

Relative growth, in absolute numbers....not so much. The concerning issue at this juncture is that it is well over the average time of a campaign, and PF1E is still many times more active.

It's a fraction of the subscribers, but it's not too far off in terms of activity (and hey, there's still 2E activity on that subreddit anyways). To look at the stats:

As you can see, while one has 4 times as many subscribers, it's not really too far when it comes to actual activity, which makes sense given that the general Pathfinder reddit has been around for for 8+ years.

For comparison, Call of Cthulhu's reddit:

More subscribers, but also a lot less activity. Again, part of being a game that has been around much longer and thus has had more time to create a community. You can see it more clearly on this plot here:

This is comments per day, with Green as r/Pathfinder_RPG, Orange as r/Pathfinder2e, and blue as r/callofcthulhu. As you can see, the Pathfinder subs are fairly comparable while CoC has significantly less engagement.

 

[Aldarc]

It's a fraction of the subscribers, but it's not too far off in terms of activity (and hey, there's still 2E activity on that subreddit anyways). To look at the stats:

This is comments per day, with Green as r/Pathfinder_RPG, Orange as r/Pathfinder2e, and blue as r/callofcthulhu. As you can see, the Pathfinder subs are fairly comparable while CoC has significantly less engagement.

Also worth pointing out is that rules discussion of PF2 also transpires on r/Pathfinder_RPG, so the higher activity in the general PF subreddit also includes PF2 related activity too.

 

[Justice and Rule]

Also worth pointing out is that rules discussion of PF2 also transpires on r/Pathfinder_RPG, so the higher activity in the general PF subreddit also includes PF2 related activity too.

It's also worth noting that Paizo (and Chaosium, apparently) maintain their own forums, which Wizards no longer does.

 

[Parmandur]

It's a fraction of the subscribers, but it's not too far off in terms of activity (and hey, there's still 2E activity on that subreddit anyways). To look at the stats:

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As you can see, while one has 4 times as many subscribers, it's not really too far when it comes to actual activity, which makes sense given that the general Pathfinder reddit has been around for for 8+ years.

For comparison, Call of Cthulhu's reddit:

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More subscribers, but also a lot less activity. Again, part of being a game that has been around much longer and thus has had more time to create a community. You can see it more clearly on this plot here:

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This is comments per day, with Green as r/Pathfinder_RPG, Orange as r/Pathfinder2e, and blue as r/callofcthulhu. As you can see, the Pathfinder subs are fairly comparable while CoC has significantly less engagement.

OK, so not much PF1E chatter, either. Still seems to correspond with the VTT and Amazon sales data.

 

[Parmandur]

Also worth pointing out is that rules discussion of PF2 also transpires on r/Pathfinder_RPG, so the higher activity in the general PF subreddit also includes PF2 related activity too.

While true, every time I ever go there you have to Wade through pages of specifically tagged PF1E threads to find any PF2E chatter. It's mostly de facto segregated by edition, though not de jure, nor completely.

 

[Justice and Rule]

OK, so not much PF1E chatter, either. Still seems to correspond with the VTT and Amazon sales data.

I think we are really trying to fit very limited data into a conclusion, tbh. Kremlinology, met Paizology.

 

[darjr]

No. It’s actually quite good data even if not complete.
It confirms that PF2 is solidly in the 2nd best selling RPG position by a long shot. It’s the 800lbs gorilla of RPGs that are not D&D.

The problem is that some take it as a confirmation of... all kinds of things. Some think those numbers are “not good”, fans and haters, which is “a” conclusion but also a guess?

 

[darjr]

It also shows that D&D is another whole stratosphere

 

[Parmandur]

No. It’s actually quite good data even if not complete.
It confirms that PF2 is solidly in the 2nd best selling RPG position by a long shot. It’s the 800lbs gorilla of RPGs that are not D&D.

The problem is that some take it as a confirmation of... all kinds of things. Some think those numbers are “not good”, fans and haters, which is “a” conclusion but also a guess?

Yeah, and Paizo is doing fine. I'm just disappointed that it ended being as niche as it is. If Paizo managed to really break out with PF2E, that would have been really nice for the whole hobby.