D&D General Players who take Excruciatingly long turns: solution?

[Reynard]

I have a couple players who just can't seem to take their turns in combat at anything faster than the speed of growing grass. It's excruciating. For one, it's because he is kind of a scatter brain, but still wants to play complex spell casters with cool abilities (he is playing a circle of spores druid currently). Another is a builder -- I first met him playing HERO in the mid 90s. He builds these highly specific characters then can't remember exactly how he constructed their Thing they do. The third is just not paying attention half the time (we play on Fantasy grounds). The other two players are getting fed up to the point I am worried whether they are going to jump ship. Note that most of this group has played together in some compacity for at least a few years.

Last night was a new low: we spent 2 hours on a single fight with 5 3rd level PCs versus 2 chuuls. (Never midn they should have just escaped since there was a way out and there is no XP in this campaign for fighting.)

Those who have solved similar problems: how have you done so?

 

[jmartkdr2]

Slow player 3 is getting bored while waiting for 1 and 2 to take their turns, and since they're already on their computer, they've clicked over to another page while waiting. When their turn comes up, they need to re-assess the situation and then start deciding what to do. I'd bet that if you find a way to speed up the other two, this player will improve automatically.

(Not a guarantee thoough)

Best advice for players 1 and 2 is to make spellcards. Not print them out - write them out themselves so they commit the details to memory. Cards are much easier to sort through than lists and they can plan a turn ahead by laying the cards out in the order they plan to use them.

This all presumes they know they're a problem and have decided to improve.

 

[Oofta]

Sounds like you have an extreme case, but not an unusual one. I used to have a guy who would double check the situation at the start of his turn, sit and stare at the battle map for a couple of minutes and then throw up his hands and say "I guess I just attack". He was playing a paladin ... in most cases that's kind of what they do.

To address the issue, I'm not sure what to do other than talk to the players, explain the issue. I've seen people talk about things like egg timers, I would occasionally start a count-down (ticking off on my fingers) while explaining that their PC only had an instant to react.

Specific instructions vary. One guy was just bad at math in his head, so we made a spreadsheet that did the calculations. Another we had write up a simple cheat sheet. Personally I build my PC in DDB but then export to a PDF and customize the "Actions" section with my own notes that remind me what my monk can do with their ki points in bullet form.

But I think it all starts with talking to your players, explaining the issues and what you want to do about it. Good luck.

 

[Mannahnin]

I think it mostly comes down to the old standby of talking to them individually away from the table and explaining how this is really impinging on your fun.

Depending on their personalities and dynamic you may be able to impose an at the table clock (I sometimes put my players on a 5 second countdown to decide what they're doing, if they dither). Other time-savers may be possible too, like cheat sheets or spell cards.

But the main thing is just respectfully making sure they're aware of the problem and how much it's impacting the game, and getting their explicit buy-in to fix it.

 

[Reynard]

I am trying to decide whether to make a general announcement on our Discord channel like, "Hey guys, last night's fight went really slowly. It would be helpful if everyone makes sure they review their abilities and tries to stay on task during combats. Thanks!" or if I should directly speak to individual players privately. Dynamic wise, we have all known each other and gamed together for years (decades in some cases) but this group as a whole is only new-ish (4 of the 5 played Avernus together).

 

[WarDriveWorley]

I have a couple players who just can't seem to take their turns in combat at anything faster than the speed of growing grass. It's excruciating. For one, it's because he is kind of a scatter brain, but still wants to play complex spell casters with cool abilities (he is playing a circle of spores druid currently). Another is a builder -- I first met him playing HERO in the mid 90s. He builds these highly specific characters then can't remember exactly how he constructed their Thing they do. The third is just not paying attention half the time (we play on Fantasy grounds). The other two players are getting fed up to the point I am worried whether they are going to jump ship. Note that most of this group has played together in some compacity for at least a few years.

Last night was a new low: we spent 2 hours on a single fight with 5 3rd level PCs versus 2 chuuls. (Never midn they should have just escaped since there was a way out and there is no XP in this campaign for fighting.)

Those who have solved similar problems: how have you done so?

I've had similar issues with a few players and I still haven't completely fixed it. I've had discussions with the players and that does help some. One of the issues is that sometimes the players get questions, but are afraid to ask outside their turn. For that I've asked another player to help with rules questions (He's my oldest friend and we've gamed together for almost 30 years so I trust him to do this). I've also suggested that they create "cheat sheet/notes" of their character's abilities/spells/items to make it easier to remember.

Also a tangential issue is that a couple of players (same ones that tend to slow down playing) also show up to game unprepared 75% of the time

 

[Oofta]

I am trying to decide whether to make a general announcement on our Discord channel like, "Hey guys, last night's fight went really slowly. It would be helpful if everyone makes sure they review their abilities and tries to stay on task during combats. Thanks!" or if I should directly speak to individual players privately. Dynamic wise, we have all known each other and gamed together for years (decades in some cases) but this group as a whole is only new-ish (4 of the 5 played Avernus together).

You could start with that and give people some time to think about it. However, you will likely need to work with each individual to address their specific issue. What you want to try to avoid is putting people on the defensive.

One other thing I've tried is to make sure I understand the PC's capabilities and then give suggestions. Something along the lines of "these seem to be your three options, what do you want to do" after a minute or so. Which works most of the time, but I'm sure there are players who will be "don't tell me what to do!"

 

[Morrus]

One bring I hate about D&D combat is that my turns always take about 30 seconds, max.I know what I’m doing. I do it. Done. Then I wait 20-30 minutes for my next 30 seconds.

 

[Reynard]

You could start with that and give people some time to think about it. However, you will likely need to work with each individual to address their specific issue. What you want to try to avoid is putting people on the defensive.

One other thing I've tried is to make sure I understand the PC's capabilities and then give suggestions. Something along the lines of "these seem to be your three options, what do you want to do" after a minute or so. Which works most of the time, but I'm sure there are players who will be "don't tell me what to do!"

I generally try to a) not micromanage the players, but also b) leave their characters to them. I have enough to do that the last thing I need is to eat up bandwidth with all the nuances of their weird druid circle or flagrantly broken yet totally legal Artilock build...

 

[Reynard]

One bring I hate about D&D combat is that my turns always take about 30 seconds, max.I know what I’m doing. I do it. Done. Then I wait 20-30 minutes for my next 30 seconds.

One player in particular is super efficient (almost too efficient in that he doesn't really roleplay at all in combat, but I guess that is better than the alternative) and timed his turns at 18 seconds. He is near the breaking point and I am legit worried he is going to walk.