D&D 5E New Scroll Questions: Warrior Champion can use Scrolls? - Scrolls of reaction spells ?

[maritimo80]

I have some questions about Scrolls:

1 ) The new use rule Scrolls a Fighter Champion for example may never use a scroll?


The rule says that the magic scroll has to be on your list of spells, and if its slot level you normally use, if greater, need an Arcana check with DC 10+ (spell level).


2) The rule says that you need to use your action to use a Scroll. So how are the Counterspell and Shield spells, which are Bonus Action and reaction.


If you have to spend my action to use a Scroll with these two spells, they will be useless!

 

[seebs]

I would agree that scrolls of those spells would be useless, except to wizards seeking to expand a spellbook.

And I've taken it for granted that the people who can use scrolls of spells they can't cast would be rogues with Use Magic Device.

 

[Sadrik]

Yes their spell list is the wizard's spell list so they should be able to cast any spell on the wizard spell list (that they have access to). So meaning any abjuration or evocation spell. The arcane trickster rogue would be similar, wizard spell list with their two schools.

As to the bonus action and reaction scrolls, that does not sit well with me. Perhaps a house rule is in order for scrolls to have a casting time equal to the spells casting time.

 

[lkj]

Of course, feelings will vary table to table, but it makes sense to me that trying to use a scroll for things like Shield and Counterspell wouldn't work. It's one thing to have a spell memorized and cast it quickly in reaction to something happening in combat. It's another to grab a scroll and read it as a reflexive reaction. "Oh wait, someone is shooting a magic missile at me. Let me just read this scroll real quick to stop it."

Just my opinion of course.

AD

 

[MonkeezOnFire]

As to the bonus action and reaction scrolls, that does not sit well with me. Perhaps a house rule is in order for scrolls to have a casting time equal to the spells casting time.

I'll also probably do this. Feather Fall is a perfect example of a spell I'd want to create a scroll of. It isn't something I'd want to have prepared all the time but when you need it you NEED it.

 

[Anth]

I'll also probably do this. Feather Fall is a perfect example of a spell I'd want to create a scroll of. It isn't something I'd want to have prepared all the time but when you need it you NEED it.

You do as you want, but I wouldn't allow it in my campaign.
Most scrolls are stuffed in scrollcases in a backpack. Even if you houseruled that you could read a scroll as a reaction, there should take a little bit longer than a reaction to retrieve the scroll from the backpack.

 

[Tormyr]

I would suggest that scrolls of spells with casting times of bonus actions or reactions stay as an action to use the scroll. You still have to read the scroll to use it. For shield scroll, I would allow it to be cast as an action and last until the character's next turn. For counterspell, I would only let it be used against a spell that has a casting time greater than 1 action, otherwise you wouldn't be able to squeeze the action of reading the scroll in.

I couldn't find a fall speed per round. I had thought it was 60 feet per round. For scrolls of feather fall, I would let it be read after the character had fallen for the distance for that turn. If you haven't gone splat, go ahead and read the scroll.

 

[Plane Sailing]

A scroll of a reaction spell wouldn't pass my basic "does it make sense" filter.

 

[Kai Wren]

I like the idea of a shield (physical, metal) with a slot in the back that can hold a Shield (scroll, paper) for reading quickly in case of magic missile. As it is a reaction spell, it can't require much speech - and therefore could be a very quick spell to read indeed.

Plus it lets you have the Eldritch Knight platoon with the commander shouting, "Shields up. SHIELD up!"

 

[RangerWickett]

You're being chased (by Shia LaBeouf), and you find yourself driven to a cliff with a perilous drop.

Glancing behind you at your pursuer (actual cannibal Shia LaBeouf), you draw your scroll of featherfall.

The scrivener called you crazy, that you'd never have time to use it, but you know you're about to fall, and this is the perfect answer.

You leap off the cliff, and the man hunting you (international superstar Shia LaBeouf) leaps after you, but you shout the three words on the scroll, and your fall is arrested.

You survive. Shia splats.