invisibility vs. dispel magic

[lightful]

I'm an invisible sorcerer. Two of my party members get hit by a confusion spell. I cast an area dispel on them. Does that break invisibility ?

On a slightly different matter- does dispel magic break invisibility if it is cast at a single target ?

 

[blargney the second]

If an enemy is subjected to your dispel, you become visible. If it's being used to help (only) allies, then you remain invisible.

 

[Piratecat]

...and if those allies are confused and trying to kill you at the time?

 

[blargney the second]

If they can see you while invisible and are confused into attacking you, then the invis goes bye-bye when you dispel on them.

 

[Destil]

I'd rule that dispel is not a "direct" attack. Ever. If you can cut the ropes of a bridge out from under a group you can dispel their fly at 100,000 feet while invisible (in general I tend to equate direct attack to Saving Throw by or Attack Roll against the character).

 

[Hypersmurf]

I'd rule that dispel is not a "direct" attack. Ever. If you can cut the ropes of a bridge out from under a group you can dispel their fly at 100,000 feet while invisible (in general I tend to equate direct attack to Saving Throw by or Attack Roll against the character).

Well, we know this:

Attacks: Some spell descriptions refer to attacking. All offensive combat actions, even those that don’t damage opponents are considered attacks. Attempts to turn or rebuke undead count as attacks. All spells that opponents resist with saving throws, that deal damage, or that otherwise harm or hamper subjects are attacks. Spells that summon monsters or other allies are not attacks because the spells themselves don’t harm anyone.

And for the purposes of invisibility, the definition is expanded:
The spell ends if the subject attacks any creature. For purposes of this spell, an attack includes any spell targeting a foe or whose area or effect includes a foe. (Exactly who is a foe depends on the invisible character’s perceptions.)

So in the example of Dispel Magic to get rid of a Fly spell, Invisibility considers it an attack if a/ you target a foe (targeted dispel), or b/ the area of Dispel Magic includes a foe (area dispel).

And that's if you perceive them to be a foe.

So if it's the enemy wizard you're dispelling, it's an attack. If it's your confused buddies, and you don't perceive them to be a foe, invisibility doesn't consider it to be an attack.

(Note that even Detect Magic can be an attack for the purpose of invisibility, if the area includes someone you perceive to be a foe.)

-Hyp.

 

[Destil]

Well, we know this:
...Stuff...
-Hyp.

You know, I missed that "targeting" bit for all these years. Thanks, Hyp.

 

[Ogrork the Mighty]

So if it's the enemy wizard you're dispelling, it's an attack. If it's your confused buddies, and you don't perceive them to be a foe, invisibility doesn't consider it to be an attack.

But would your confused buddies perceive you as a foe in the tables were turned re: the use of dispel magic. I would think so.

 

[javcs]

But would your confused buddies perceive you as a foe in the tables were turned re: the use of dispel magic. I would think so.

That may be, but invisibility doesn't care what they think, only how the invisible views people.

 

[TheGogmagog]

Personally, I wouldn't consider it attack in the confused Ally scenario. I don't think I would consider it an attack as an area effect dispel either, even if foes are included.
But would consider it an attack you used the targeted dispell on an enemy.