D&D 5E How would you rule on this Dispell Magic?

[Maxperson]

There has been some disagreement regarding "clear path" vs. the spell's only stipulation "within range."

The wand fly past and out of sight, but the caster of the dispel magic could also move and get the wand back into sight before casting. That's how initiative works.

 

[Maxperson]

You left out alignment.

If you're going to throw in alignment, I'm going to have to toss in paladins, too.

 

[plisnithus8]

The wand fly past and out of sight, but the caster of the dispel magic could also move and get the wand back into sight before casting. That's how initiative works.

She could move or do a lot of other things, but that's a different scenario.

 

[Maxperson]

She could move or do a lot of other things, but that's a different scenario.

No, not really. It's all connected. You asked about targeting, and then keep adding/changing things to gear responses the way you want them to go. I'm not going to play that game. In the scenario you constructed, it's possible to move in order to still be able to target the wand, so the wand going out of sight right at that second is not relevant.

 

[plisnithus8]

No, not really. It's all connected. You asked about targeting, and then keep adding/changing things to gear responses the way you want them to go. I'm not going to play that game. In the scenario you constructed, it's possible to move in order to still be able to target the wand, so the wand going out of sight right at that second is not relevant.

If you don't want to read the whole thread, I don't blame you, but I haven't changed anything.
The wizard never moved, wanted to dispel in order to stop the wand.

 

[Maxperson]

If you don't want to read the whole thread, I don't blame you, but I haven't changed anything.
The wizard never moved, wanted to dispel in order to stop the wand.

So what. What should have happened as that as soon as the wand moved into sight, initiative should have been rolled to see if the wizard could do it. If the DM messed that up and just let the wand go out of sight while the wizard stared and drooled, the DM should just have told the player that the wizard has to move a few feet to do it.

 

[steeldragons]

Situation:
A player is wearing magic armor that turns him invisible (DM describes "as the spell").
He grabs a wand, and his Pixie familiar casts Fly on him.
So he dashes 120' up a stairwell, passed the other players who only see a flying wand (player failed roll to see if wand would turn invisible), out of the dungeon, and 50' into the air and out of the other players' sight.
A PC wizard (one that the wand just fly by) casts Dispell Magic to stop it.
Dispell Magic says, "Choose one creature, object, or magical effect within range. Any spell of 3rd level or lower on the target ends."
Both Fly and Invisibility are 3rd or lower.

If you were DM, what would happen?

Dispel Magic is going to work, somewhat obviously, on functioning magic first. SO, casting it "on the wand flying by" is going to disrupt the magic "attached to it"...that is, the invisible flying PC who is wielding the wand.

I would say that the Fly, being an actual spell cast upon the person, versus the effect of a worn item, goes first.

Then, as the [Dispel Magic] spell description and the armor ["as the spell"] both note, the Invisibility goes too.

Now, depending on the armor's abilities, sounds like the PC could use their next turn to turn invisible again...i.e., Dispel Magic isn't going to stop "new" magic from occurring.

But the Pixie's spell most definitely is defunct and the PC would turn visible as they were falling to the ground...with the wand in hand.

 

[Aenorgreen]

So what. What should have happened as that as soon as the wand moved into sight, initiative should have been rolled to see if the wizard could do it. If the DM messed that up and just let the wand go out of sight while the wizard stared and drooled, the DM should just have told the player that the wizard has to move a few feet to do it.

My understanding is they were already in combat and going by turns. Initiative had already been rolled. We were not told of the wizard moving.

 

[plisnithus8]

So what. What should have happened as that as soon as the wand moved into sight, initiative should have been rolled to see if the wizard could do it. If the DM messed that up and just let the wand go out of sight while the wizard stared and drooled, the DM should just have told the player that the wizard has to move a few feet to do it.

Having the DM suggest the wizard move before casting I would say would be a DM choice, not a "should," especially since the wizard is at least 5th level since she is casting Dispel Magic.

You say the DM "messed that up" by not interupting a PC's movement to roll initiative.
This is a sincere question for you or anyone:
Is it in the rules that an out of combat action can be interupted to roll initiative?

 

[Maxperson]

Having the DM suggest the wizard move before casting I would say would be a DM choice, not a "should," especially since the wizard is at least 5th level since she is casting Dispel Magic.

You say the DM "messed that up" by not interupting a PC's movement to roll initiative.
This is a sincere question for you or anyone:
Is it in the rules that an out of combat action can be interupted to roll initiative?

It wasn't an out of combat action. As soon as you had two PCs in opposition to one another to the point of taking combat actions(moves, evasion, spells, etc.), it was a combat situation. Combat doesn't have to mean trying to kill, or even doing damage to each other. Just opposing one another to the point of trying to restrain, evade or cast a hostile spell on one another is sufficient.