D&D 5E Fixing the polearm and taking back its seat as generally best nonprojectile weapon from the sword.

Yet people - including the wealthy elite warrior class, who had their pick of armaments - used swords. Why?

One-handed swords were only ever side-arms. Secondary weapons. Their popularity stems from them being seen as such while maintaining portability. A spear isn't exactly portable and is very much an offensive weapon. A sword is a side-arm, a defensive weapon. One-on-one it's a defensive weapon, so won't win against the city guard. And the scabbard gives the opportunity for the bearer to be ostentatious, to demonstrate their wealth & power.
 

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I think bringing reach back into 5E would go a long way towards showing the value of pole weapons. Of course, unless you can fall back, once inside their reach they are not as effective.

D&D got away from the combat simulationist POV so much of these concepts were simplified or ignored by design.

Reach is a property for all the polearms in 5e except spear because there is only one type, which is effectively the "shortspear". Glaive, Halberd, Pike all add 5' to your reach.

Honestly, and I think it was @Cap'n Kobold who said earlier, Polearms are one of the best weapons in 5e for optimized combat, so I'm not sure why they need to be "fixed"?

If I'm throwing together a fighter quickly, it's going to be a Great Weapon Fighting Polearm Master Greatweapon Master Sentinel build who deals a metric ton of damage and locks down opponents in melee so they can't get past without spells.

Now if I'm throwing together a barbarian, I'd probably go with Greataxe or Maul because theme, but otherwise I'm going polearm all the way because it's just a better weapon in 5e.

It has good damage, it has reach, it has all the feats of greatsword/greataxe/maul plus another one on top of that!
 

I keep trying to tell everyone but no one believes me that swords were not actually used as primary weapons nearly as often as people think. But hollywoods weird sorcery is stronk.

The exception are those who already know it.
Cultural thing ya know... like the supremacy of Katanas

Plenty of at least ancient heros were spear specialists and sling specialists too. Sticks and Stones

Lugh Lamfada (Long Arm - uber spear user)
Woten (yup uber spear user)
Cu Cuhlainn (Special Ultimately Deadly Technique / associated with spear )
Even later Lancelot (yes embarrassingly lances a lot)
 

One-handed swords were only ever side-arms. Secondary weapons. Their popularity stems from them being seen as such while maintaining portability. A spear isn't exactly portable and is very much an offensive weapon. A sword is a side-arm, a defensive weapon. One-on-one it's a defensive weapon, so won't win against the city guard. And the scabbard gives the opportunity for the bearer to be ostentatious, to demonstrate their wealth & power.

Which is of course why the Roman legions were equipped with swords.
 

Spears have been pretty darn good in 5e since the errata that allowed Polearm Master to work with them, though?

Except for the tables where feats aren't used I suppose. (Personally, I don't think they exist but rumors abound some groups don't like feats... shhh).

The bonus action attack with other end feature should just be part of TWF IMO and not part of a feat.
 



Wow, there’s a lot of weapon vs. weapon trash talking going on here. Couple things:

First of all, no weapon beats any other weapon 100% of the time, even assuming one-on-one combat between “equally skilled” opponents (and “equally skilled” is pretty difficult to define when talking about two different kinds of weapons.) Context is always king.

If we put swords and polearms both in their proper context, it is clear that they would very rarely be used against each other, with the possible exception of big two-handed swords like the montante, though that is debated among scholars.

Swords were really not primary battlefield weapons, again, save maybe two-handers. One-handed swords and longswords were used as sidearms on the battlefield, as civilian self-defense weapons, and as dueling and tournament weapons. This is because their primary advantages are being easy to carry around, and highly versatile.

Polearms were primarily formation weapons, used on the battlefield effectively as area denial. Line up a bunch of guys with long pointy sticks and tell them to move as a unit, and it’s going to be very difficult for anyone to get past their line without intimidating them into breaking formation. Put some guys with bows or guns behind them, and you’ve got a solid attack and defense force. Give those guys swords, and they can defend themselves in close-quarters if the pike line gets broken. Polearms were almost never used in civilian self-defense because they’re big and hard to carry around. They did see use in dueling and tournaments, but usually paired up against other polearm users.

The two-handed sword is a bit of an odd duck. It has the silhouette of a sword, but the length of a (very short) polearm. It is therefore unlikely to have been used in the same contexts as other swords, but there isn’t really evidence of it being used in formation like a polearm. There is some suggestion that it could have been used specifically to break up polearm formations, but there really isn’t a lot of surviving material describing how to use it. What we do see in montante manuals is a fighting style that employs huge sweeping movements and keeping up momentum, so it was probably its own beast altogether. Some scholars have suggested that it may have been made to be used by one well-trained man at arms to defend against many less-skilled conscripts. A montante user swinging his giant sword around becomes a one-man zone of denial, but he’s better at holding a choke point than advancing on a group of pikemen.

So, to reiterate, there is very little historical context in which sword-vs-spear would have even happened. In the events that it did, the primary advantage of the spear is its reach, which a skilled spear user would be able to exploit to its fullest. Reach is one of the most valuable attributes for a medieval weapon to have. The primary advantage of the sword is really in its portability, though a secondary advantage is its versatility. Where a spear is deadliest at its tip and can be grappled along most of its length, you can threaten with pretty much any part of a sword. Still, to use it effectively against someone with a spear you need to close the distance, and that can be very difficult to do safely.

For folks who have LARP experience and have found sword users consistently able to press spear users, keep in mind you are in a low-stakes simulacrum of medieval combat. Try it with live steel instead of padded boffers and I expect the sword-user will be much less bold in advancing. Especially if he thinks the spear-user is actually trying to kill him.
 

Spears were cheap, easy to make, and easy to use. Swords were expensive, difficult to forge, and took a lot of training. Yet people - including the wealthy elite warrior class, who had their pick of armaments - used swords. Why?

Because you can put them in a scabbard and WEAR them. You can't wear a spear.

...Sometimes I wonder if people on ENW even watch ScholaGladiatoria, sigh >:D
 


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