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No, they don't.Daenur said:Don't Draconic Heritage feats by nature require ( Dragontouched OR (Sorceror lvl 1 AND Draconic Heritage feat)) ?
The Draconic Heritage [DRACONIC] feat requires Sorcerer level 1st and the other Draconic Heritage feats require Draconic Heritage and sorcerer level 1st (except for Draconic Legacy, which just requires any four draconic feats).
It's pretty clear, but I think you're getting turned around, so let's look at it critically:
We see the Dragontouched feat allows you to select draconic feats as if you were a sorcerer of your character level, but not as if you had already taken the Draconic Heritage [DRACONIC] feat. That means that a character with the Dragontouched feat doesn't have to be a sorcerer to take the Draconic Heritage feat, not that he can take any other [DRACONIC] feat.Dragontouched
Prerequisites: Cha 11
Benefit: You gain the dragonblood subtype. You gain 1 hit point, a +1 bonus on Listen, Search, and Spot check, and a +1 bonus on saving throws against paralysis and sleep effects. In addition, you can select draconic feats as if you were a sorcerer of your character level.
That is, the Dragontouched feat only allows you to bypass the sorcerer requirement.
If there were another [DRACONIC] feat that didn't require Draconic Heritage, then a character without Draconic Heritage could take it, given that he meets all other prereq's.
If there were [DRACONIC] feats that didn't require Draconic Heritage but did have a sorcerer level requirement, then a character with the Dragontouched feat could take it, given that he meets all other prereq's.
Yes, according to the rules.Daenur said:So as a dragonborn, I would have to waste a feat just to have access to the draconic feats that are 'powerful enough'.
That's a good point, though issues like this are supposed to be resolved in the newer books (as in, Dragon Magic or Races of the Dragon would clarify how to modify core stuff so it works more smoothly), and would also be included in errata (like they did with Swift and Immediate actions).Daenur said:Besides which, most of the feats that have dragon as a type prereq tend to have other reqs like size, Con, Str, etc. The reason I think this is a valid question is that the Draconomicon, like the Monster Manual, was published prior to the existance of the Dragonblood subtype.
Regardless of the intention or reason the authors did as they did, RAW (the rules as written) must be taken as-is. Otherwise, it boils down to guesswork.
To allow races that don't qualify for dragon feats to take them? Or to allow any race to take the [MONSTROUS] dragon feats? I dunno, I'd guess it'd depend on the feat. I think Awaken Frightful Presence might be unbalanced for a 1st level character, but I'm not sure. I certainly would think it'd would be odd for any Commoner to take it.Daenur said:Then, regardless of the actual ruling, is it balanced?
Or do you mean to let dragonblooded characters assume the Draconic Heritage feat? I don't think it would be balanced in that case. Feats past entry feats tend to be powerful enough to warrant the entry feat in the first place.
First of all, Half-Orcs are kind of a corner case. They're generally considered way underpowered anyway. Secondly, what vulnerabilities of being Human do they have? And, who said the other "Half" of the "Half-Orc" was Human?Daenur said:Why would a half-orc have the vulnerabilities of being both human and orc without having access to the same hypothetical benefits?
I don't agree that it's a similar question, since Half-Elves, Half-Orcs, Orcs, and Elves, all have the Humanoid type and only differ in subtype, whereas dragons and dragonblooded differ in both subtype and type (except for those few dragons that take the Draconic Heritage or Dragontouched feats, but for them this is a non-issue). Besides, the Arcane Archer PrC give evidence for an answer of 'No' anyway (since it requires 'Elf or half-elf'--if half-elves qualify for anything an elf can take, they wouldn't have specified both).Daenur said:I suppose that the question can really boil down to this. Would you allow a half-elf, or a half-orc take feats that have orc, or elf as a prereq?
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