D&D General Deborah Ann Woll Teaches Jon Bernthal D&D

It matters to folks who dont play D&D and see TTRPG as a hobby and not just branches of D&D. So, when asked "what is D&D" I say its a type of role playing game. If the next question is "what is a role playing game" I expand on that. If its a deeper inquiry of what D&D is, I go that way with the discussion.
That's fine, you don't have to do it yourself. But considering most other people still will because it ain't actually that big of a deal, you'll just have to accept the reality that 99% of society will continue to say 'D&D' even when they just mean 'roleplaying game'. And there's nothing you can do about it.
 
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Waitamminit.

Define "D&D is cannibalizing the hobby", please. How does this mean?
People who have an irrational hatred of a game think that its success and popularity is taking all the good players and media attention away from whatever game they think is better. It's an ego thing really. They can't handle that another game sucks up all the air in the room and eats all the attention while what game they like doesn't embraced or acknowledged by society in nearly the same way.
 

People who have an irrational hatred of a game think that its success and popularity is taking all the good players and media attention away from whatever game they think is better. It's an ego thing really. They can't handle that another game sucks up all the air in the room and eats all the attention while what game they like doesn't embraced or acknowledged by society in nearly the same way.
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People who have an irrational hatred of a game think that its success and popularity is taking all the good players and media attention away from whatever game they think is better. It's an ego thing really. They can't handle that another game sucks up all the air in the room and eats all the attention while what game they like doesn't embraced or acknowledged by society in nearly the same way.

I'm pretty sure that's not a fair assessment at all.

I would imagine that it's closer to D&D dominating discussion and attention, being essentially a monopoly, and as such stifling discussion and exploration of other systems.

Not a position that I am sure I agree with, but it certainly takes more effort to go out and find other RPGs.
 

I'm pretty sure that's not a fair assessment at all.

I would imagine that it's closer to D&D dominating discussion and attention, being essentially a monopoly, and as such stifling discussion and exploration of other systems.

Not a position that I am sure I agree with, but it certainly takes more effort to go out and find other RPGs.

D&D is the 800 lb. gorilla in the room, yes. It is the oldest and most popular RPG IP. They have the money for the advertising and media options. The modern rules are very popular and are easy to onboard new players.

But it is the Community that decides that D&D gets that share of the business. Criticism of D&D's popularity and market share cannot go without criticizing the Community that buys into it, and who really wants to tell people they are wrong for liking what they like? When they find something new that they like, they do move to that thing, and that is good.

There are SO MANY alternatives (are we as flooded as we were with 3e?). Many with great ideas, though often very niche. A game will get the audience it deserves, not just by design, but by the interest in the theme, design, and word of mouth. I hate to say it, but in this capitalist world, you need good marketing to get the word out. If you don't have a large, interested audience for that theme, you're not going to sell well.
 

I just don't agree with your second point. Everyone who has watched the video can see that she's gushing about something that made a big difference in her life. She's not making a point by point critical analysis of D&D and why it is objectively superior to other TTRPGs; she's expressing her own passion.

If someone finds that off-putting, the problem is them, not her. Like, Taylor Swift is not my jam particularly, but when my young friend, which is a massive Swiftie, waxes effusive about her, I don't find it off-putting. I'm happy that she gets such joy from the music. It obviously speaks to her. Context matters, and similarly this is someone responding emotionally to something that is important to them.

I don't care what game she is praising. Let her have her joy. It's wholesome, not off-putting.

Again, I co-sign everything and I have already subscribed to the newsletter! Unfortunately, I was told that it was only available on-line, and I don't have internet access..... anyway ... this reminded me of a point I made before.

I think one of the major motifs of my various essays is that people like what they like. And that's okay!

If a person self-identifies as a fan of something, then why not? I mean, who am I to judge? I thought this was the whole "high culture, low culture" thing we try to avoid. If you prefer Cheetos to caviar, more power to you. Heck, if you prefer to eat your caviar on Cheetos, I am not going to come to your house and slap that weird combination from your orange digits.

Sixteen years ago, or so, there was a young person who told me that they loved comedy, and they loved Dane Cook. As someone who followed comedy at the time, and certainly had OPINIONS, I was a little taken aback. I can be judgey judgey about that kind of statement, but hey- why not? I remember thinking, "At least they are enjoying comedy!" So I held my tongue and appreciated the unreserved enthusiasm of a person.

Hidden behind the verbiage I often see people employ when they are "looking down on others" is the implicit assertion- once you know better, your taste will improve, and you will like the things that I do.* I just don't agree with that. We've seen this time and again- "genre" films were disreputable, until Cahiers du Cinema. Pop culture wasn't high art- but what about Warhol or Lichtenstein? You have to understand art in order to make art. Unless it's outsider art. Or primitive art. Or ... whatever.

You get the idea. I live by a few, simple ideas-

1. People like what they like.
2. Elves are dead-eyed, soulless abominations.
3. It is better and easier to convince someone to try something by telling them that this is new thing is good and fun, than by trying to convince them that they are bad or ignorant for liking what they like.
4. There are only two things in the world that I cannot abide; people who are intolerant of the roleplaying choices of others, and bards.
5. It's better to try and understand why people like what they like than to assume people don't know better.
6. I don't know about you, but I take comfort knowing that he's out there. The Dude. Takin' er easy for all us sinners arguing on enworld.

See? Simple ideas, happy life.

I was in Vietnam a while back, I had a lot of amazing food at high end places. But one of the best times I had was at some ramshackle place, eating chả rươi and drinking fresh beer (daily brewed) in Hanoi with locals and having a great time despite the lack of any common language. It was an experience. But I am 100% sure that it is not for everyone. If you look up chả rươi, you'll see why. The fact that I liked it, doesn't mean that everyone will like it.


*I will leave it as an open exercise as to how this applies to TTRPGs.
 

I'm pretty sure that's not a fair assessment at all.

I would imagine that it's closer to D&D dominating discussion and attention, being essentially a monopoly, and as such stifling discussion and exploration of other systems.

Not a position that I am sure I agree with, but it certainly takes more effort to go out and find other RPGs.
Heh heh... well when those people who hate D&D keep coming here to a D&D thread to continually post, they aren't exactly doing themselves any favors in that regard.

I don't play Shadowdark, I haven't read barely any Shadowdark material, and thus I don't go to any of the places or sites or boards where people talk about Shadowdark. I presume they are out there for those Shadowdark fans to get together and discuss their game (or if there isn't, someone ought to make one)... and thus I never need to worry about people talking about that game.

But if a person hangs around D&D websites and messageboards (or even the D&D sections of regular RPG sites)... they're going to hear about D&D. That's why the boards exist. So it's hard to feel bad for those people when they get mad about all the D&D talk because they brought it upon themselves by hanging around in the first place. A person doesn't want their conversation dominated by the game? Go somewhere else. Find the place where you can talk about your game and only your game. Yeah, the number of people talking about whatever other game they are on about will be smaller... but at least the convo will all be filled with people who actually want to talk about it.
 

I was in Vietnam a while back, I had a lot of amazing food at high end places. But one of the best times I had was at some ramshackle place, eating chả rươi and drinking fresh beer (daily brewed) in Hanoi with locals and having a great time despite the lack of any common language. It was an experience. But I am 100% sure that it is not for everyone. If you look up chả rươi, you'll see why. The fact that I liked it, doesn't mean that everyone will like it.
I looked it up, and watched a cooking video. Not the most appealing thing before it's cooked, but then, neither are eggs. Now I want to try it.

4. There are only two things in the world that I cannot abide; people who are intolerant of the roleplaying choices of others, and bards.
On my bucket list: Playing in a game with you and making you admire my bard. :LOL:
 

I'm pretty sure that's not a fair assessment at all.

I would imagine that it's closer to D&D dominating discussion and attention, being essentially a monopoly, and as such stifling discussion and exploration of other systems.

Not a position that I am sure I agree with, but it certainly takes more effort to go out and find other RPGs.
How does D&D "stifle discussion and exploration of other systems"?
 

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