Spoilers Daredevil: Born Again (Spoilers)

[pukunui]

See. I missed that. I assumed Devlin was double crossing the woman and leaving her with nothing. This DD chases him down, gets the diamond and gives it back.

Devlin worked for Luca, didn't he? Why would he tell his accomplice to give Luca the bag, knowing it actually contained a candy rather than the diamond? If she had done so, Luca would have known that Devlin had double-crossed him and gone after him.

The simplest answer is that Devlin didn't know the bag had a candy in it when he gave it to the woman to take to Luca.

 

[Kaodi]

So, to be clear, indirectly Matt is the reason Luca is dead, right? If Luca gets the diamond he pays off his 1.8 million bill instead of mouthing off to Fisk?

 

[Kaodi]

Also: these crossovers are in fact leading up to something, even if not in a way that detracts from Daredevil itself, right? Matt looks like he may become the mentor to a new White Tiger, Angela. Matt is going to dinner with Kamala. Fisk was mixing it up with Kate Archer's mom. We know Kamala and Kate are going to be putting together a team. Is Angela going to become a Young Avenger, or rather a Young Defender with more explicit connections to them?

 

[Umbran]

According to the wording of the relevant law, your honour, my client cannot technically be accused of having committed a fridging, ; ) .

We are judging in the Court of Modern Literature, the Comics Circuit, in which the crime has been recognized since 1999. While the original precedent was a woman in a refrigerator, we intend to show that the action is not somehow excusable when performed on a male character.

 

[Umbran]

Flashbacks maybe?

Flashbacks and/or dream sequences are the most likely.
But, this is the MCU. Could be a clone. Could be a Variant. Could be time travel. Could be a LMD. Could be... Mephisto...
... I know, I know, its never Mephisto...
...but, it could be Mephisto...

Weirdly - having done some reading, I found there was a time in the comics in which Foggy "died" and was semi-forcibly taken into protective custody, and Matt didn't know about it....

 

[Hussar]

It's an interesting (to me anyway) whether or not Foggy's death counts as "fridging". After all, as I understand it, the term fridging refers to killing a love interest character in order to give the main character incentive to act. IOW, the love interest character is killed off in order to motivate the main character.

But, in this case, killing Foggy doesn't motivate DD. It actually demotivates him. He hangs up the mask because the thing that he feared the most - that his own enemies would come at him through the ones he loves - came to pass. This wasn't some "out of left field" event that was never suggested in the past. This was full on a major plotline of the original series.

So, I'm not really sure that this actually counts as fridging.

 

[Umbran]

But, in this case, killing Foggy doesn't motivate DD. It actually demotivates him.

Or, alternatively, motivates him to quit.
Kingpin says he had nothing to do with Foggy's death. He has some weird code of honor, so maybe we can believe him. But... what about his wife? Is it beyond her to point Poindexter in the right direction?

Either way, so far the only purpose of the death is to change the main character's behavior. It has, so far as I have seen so far, no other impact on plot or the world, was not a result of anything Foggy had been doing. So, fridging.

He hangs up the mask because the thing that he feared the most - that his own enemies would come at him through the ones he loves - came to pass.

I haven't watched it all yet, but to me, it read that he hangs up the mask not because they came at him through who he loves. He hangs up the mask because he was driven to try to kill, he was becoming the thing that the Kingpin tells him he is, that the Punisher fell into being, the thing that Foggy would never forgive him for becoming...

 

[Kaodi]

I am not sure that killing a character whose death will have a major effect on another character is necessarily a fridging. I do not think, for instance, that Aunt May was fridged in No Way Home; at least insofar as Uncle Ben would not be considered to have been fridged. However, that said, I think you could certainly make the case that Uncle Hector was fridged. Was Foggy fridged? If he was, does the term lose meaning as every important death turns into a fridging?

 

[Tonguez]

I am not sure that killing a character whose death will have a major effect on another character is necessarily a fridging. I do not think, for instance, that Aunt May was fridged in No Way Home; at least insofar as Uncle Ben would not be considered to have been fridged. However, that said, I think you could certainly make the case that Uncle Hector was fridged. Was Foggy fridged? If he was, does the term lose meaning as every important death turns into a fridging?

It is an interesting debate about what constitutes fridging v dramatic character death, for instance I'd say Aunt May had a dramatic character death - she had agency in her action vs the villain, it wasnt just for Peters story. Foggy is on the border, especially coming in so early and so far without context beyond shocking the audience and driving Matts emotional state.

We may as well argue that John Wicks dog was fridged (it was) but that is so central to the character existing it becomes a dramatic driver

 

[Rune]

I am not sure that killing a character whose death will have a major effect on another character is necessarily a fridging. I do not think, for instance, that Aunt May was fridged in No Way Home; at least insofar as Uncle Ben would not be considered to have been fridged. However, that said, I think you could certainly make the case that Uncle Hector was fridged. Was Foggy fridged? If he was, does the term lose meaning as every important death turns into a fridging?

If Uncle Ben isn’t considered fridged, then the term has no meaning (unless that meaning requires either a fridge or a female fridgee – which, I suppose, are arguments that could be made).