D&D (2024) Comeliness and Representation in Recent DnD Art

[Stormonu]

When the D&D wheelchair came out, there was some adventure book that required wheelchair ramps in dungeons, publushed by WotC.

So forced representation of wheelchairs was included by the makers of D&D, because 1 person demanded it for everyone else. Even though it made no sense as her wheelchair can scale sheer cliffs and does not need ramps.

What book was this? The only WotC book I can recall having a wheelchaired character has been Van Richten's?

 

[LesserThan]

Someone though logically said that a dungeon might have ramps, if it was built by workers who were required to move heavy loads around.

Was this in the adventure? Great pyramids did this, but the ramps were removed.

We are well away from the "beauty stat" being reflected in art unless someone has a thing for buttresses.

 

[LesserThan]

What book was this? The only WotC book I can recall having a wheelchaired character has been Van Richten's?

Candlekeep Ministries?

 

[Cap'n Kobold]

To repeat what I said earlier to Charlequin, I told her, I have zero interest in "being represented" or FORCED to have my character in a wheelchair in game.

When the D&D wheelchair came out, there was some adventure book that required wheelchair ramps in dungeons, publushed by WotC.

So forced representation of wheelchairs was included by the makers of D&D, because 1 person demanded it for everyone else. Even though it made no sense as her wheelchair can scale sheer cliffs and does not need ramps.

. . . and how was that forcing you to have your character in a wheelchair in game?

As someone who is also comparatively young, I don't see this all that often.

It's more of the old heads that want to make people face D&D's love affairs with slavery, bigotry and sexual violence.

I've not once seen someone play a teifling with the intention to be discriminated against in-game.

Sometimes D&D is a sanctuary from your demons. Sometimes it is an arena where you can fight your demons in a way that you can't in real life.

 

[Faolyn]

Do RPGs have to be designed with that second thing in mind though? Is there a way to thread that needle do both desires are met?

Assuming you're talking about this: And I suppose that is escapism of a type; an escape to where the world's greatest injustices can be confronted and solved. But that's not the same thing as pretending the issues of the real world simply don't exist at all.

I mean, how what sort of happy medium would you suggest? Unless the world is specifically supposed to be a crapsack dystopia, is there a reason why you can't have societal ills that can be overcome through RP? Or do you mean to have worlds where those societal ills simply don't exist?

 

[LesserThan]

. . . and how was that forcing you to have your character in a wheelchair in game?

"Hey we have Candlekeep, it has wheelchair ramps so you would fit in. Want to play?"

That is how. People thinking I am my chair and not respecting avperson as a person, as I previously said the WotC "forced perspective" courts. That someone with an abnormality MUST want to play out that abnormality in game.

Which brought me into this when I misunderstood Charlequin commenting about Conan and "sanitized settings".

People making baseless assumptions instead of having decency to ask the right question.

"Would you like to join our D&D game?", is a better one to ask than, "Hey we see you are crippled and this fantasy game has options to play as crippled so you can feel at home in it, wanna?"

Decorum, tact, etc has been driven out of gaming by WotC current players in many areas.

Needless to say, that group was kicked out of that store for discriminating against players, and just being rude to its customers during Open Board Game night.

 

[Ancalagon]

So mating rituals as normal for ALL known species then?

It's not just about "who you find attractive". Attractive people get all sorts of perks that have nothing do to reproductive fitness.

They will make a word for anything just to sell more dictionaries I guess.

I sincerely hope you are kidding.

 

[LesserThan]

It's not just about "who you find attractive". Attractive people get all sorts of perks that have nothing do to reproductive fitness.

That is the whole point of this thread is it not?

Comilness "beauty stat" being reflected in the games art.

 

[Faolyn]

Someone though logically said that a dungeon might have ramps, if it was built by workers who were required to move heavy loads around.

Or because it's inhabited by people without legs, like yuan-ti.

What book was this? The only WotC book I can recall having a wheelchaired character has been Van Richten's?

Candlekeep. I seem to recall there was an NPC in a wheelchair, and some people on reddit were throwing fits. A lot more were saying that, with magic, it would have been cooler and more logical if the chair floated or had spider legs instead of wheels (I agree, but I understand why using an actual wheelchair is important). And other people were saying it was stupid because of magical prosthetics and even just magical regeneration.

Then someone came up with the combat wheelchair, and that sparked a whole 'nother debate because there were people who were saying it was OP and thus totally unfair, even though it's really not.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Assuming you're talking about this: And I suppose that is escapism of a type; an escape to where the world's greatest injustices can be confronted and solved. But that's not the same thing as pretending the issues of the real world simply don't exist at all.

I mean, how what sort of happy medium would you suggest? Unless the world is specifically supposed to be a crapsack dystopia, is there a reason why you can't have societal ills that can be overcome through RP? Or do you mean to have worlds where those societal ills simply don't exist?

Maybe I'm not being clear. I don't see any reason personally why society's ills need to be any easier to overcome in a fantasy world than they are in the real world (not not necessarily harder either), especially if the underlying conditions that lead to those ills still exist in the fantasy world.

That being said, plenty of people disagree with me on that point, and they should have their fantasy too.