Buffy series finale (spoilers)

[danzig138]

I thought it was really good. . .a fitting end to the series. Was it the best episode ever? No, series' finales usually aren't. I thought the acting was strong and dialogue very good. Nice to hear Joss writing again. It's certainly up there with some of my favorites.

 

[Wayside]

The implication is, I think, that there are a LOT of them now, more than enough to foil the ultimate plans of The First. And that it was always meant to be this way; not one per generation, but an army of Good to oppose the army of Evil. The Watchers, effectively, short-circuited the entire process and - perhaps even knowingly - brought about the current state of crisis.

What she said was that everyone of all the women on Earth - with the potential to be a Slayer now is one; I'd think that would be a fair number, given the number of potentials they found just with their resources.

It's certainly possible, but the first thing we saw in season 7 was Bringers killing potentials in different places all over the world. The idea was that the few who escaped them found their way to Sunnydale (Giles rounded up a few and brought them too) where Buffy could protect them. So, there shouldn't be many left in the world, assuming that there ever were a huge number of potentials to begin with.

The one per generation was the way it was meant to be, but that was the intention of, as Buffy says in the finale, a bunch of crotchety old dudes who combined weren't half as powerful as Willow, referring to an earlier episode in season 7 that you haven't seen yet, where we actually mmet the men who created the first Slayer (and hence, not referring to watchers at all).

The First's goal seemed only to be to end the Slayer line, which became vulnerable for some reason having to do with Buffy never explicitly stated, but generally assumed to be her dying and coming back, which allowed another Slayer to exist simultaneously. The First said it could come into the flesh after it ended the Slayer line and overran the world, so I guess that was it's ultimate goal. Anyway, Willow's spell that turned every potential into a Slayer effectively ended the vulnerability, so that's essentially how the First was defeated. Killing the not-so-uber-anymore vamp army/collapsing the Hellmouth was just a bonus... series finale and all.

 

[Samnell]

The one per generation was the way it was meant to be, but that was the intention of, as Buffy says in the finale, a bunch of crotchety old dudes who combined weren't half as powerful as Willow, referring to an earlier episode in season 7 that you haven't seen yet, where we actually mmet the men who created the first Slayer (and hence, not referring to watchers at all).

The old lady in the temple who appeared only to be killed before saying anything of real consequence to the plot revealed that the old men who made the first slayer went on to be/found the Watchers. You know, the one in the temple no one noticed all these years but happened to be amazingly easy for Buffy, Caleb, Angel, and Spike to find.

 

[Wayside]

The old lady in the temple who appeared only to be killed before saying anything of real consequence to the plot revealed that the old men who made the first slayer went on to be/found the Watchers. You know, the one in the temple no one noticed all these years but happened to be amazingly easy for Buffy, Caleb, Angel, and Spike to find.

The (now defunct) watchers are a different organization though. They knew nothing about the scythe. They may have come from the source, but they sure lost that connection a long time ago. No script for 7.21 online yet and I don't remember exactly what that particular plot device had to say though, so that's about all I can add.

The more I think about it the more I wish this change came in the middle of the series. There are so many new directions Joss could take it now.. why couldn't he have run this arc earlier?? Hope we get a movie within a year or two.

 

[John Crichton]

The (now defunct) watchers are a different organization though. They knew nothing about the scythe. They may have come from the source, but they sure lost that connection a long time ago. No script for 7.21 online yet and I don't remember exactly what that particular plot device had to say though, so that's about all I can add.

I got the impression that the "temple" was somewhat makeshift and the woman only showed herself because the time was right.

The more I think about it the more I wish this change came in the middle of the series. There are so many new directions Joss could take it now.. why couldn't he have run this arc earlier?? Hope we get a movie within a year or two.

It would have been nice to get more of this storyline but it would have needed a whole new season to really flesh out. And I totally agree about the movie, it would be great to get one as soon as Joss-ly (read: written and directed by) possible. Give this man a $100 million budget and see what he can do.

 

[danzig138]

Give this man a $100 million budget and see what he can do.

A wicked cool Firefly movie?

 

[Klaus]

This is from someone who hasn't seen the finale yet (hell, we're just passed the "is Spike biting people again" episode), but...

The New Slayers eventually hunt down every available vampire on Earth. A couple of centuries into the future, the vamps re-surface, and the first Slayer in 200 years is activated.

Her name is Melaka Fray, and she's the star of the Joss Whedon-scripted "Fray" comic book, published by Dark Horse.

Maybe this is what he intended all along?

 

[John Crichton]

A wicked cool Firefly movie?

Fine by me. I loved that show. If he can do it for one movie the studios will surely give him more moolah to make another project.

 

[KidCthulhu]

Yeah, yeah. The plot holes could be used as a new superhighway, and we here in Boston wouldn't have had to pay for the "Big Dig". But yet... how can you not love it. It's always been about the characters, and the episode got that just right.

Except Kennedy, who has been a pain in the a**, inconsistently written little bitca from word one. I bought her hitting on Willow, and Will being interested (she is cute). But all the stuff with the kite and the string was just completely beyond her as a person. Nothing she'd ever done indicated she had this kind of depth. It's like Joss took a Tara line and gave it to someone else. And the actress was not good enough to pull it off. Blagh. I was really rooting for her to bite it.

 

[John Crichton]

I just watched the Buffy Finale again and I have to say that I still liked it an aweful lot, especially the last 15 minutes. They nailed the show right there. That final fight, to me, was better than anything that Matrix Reloaded showed me. That fight had some heart. It may not have looked as pretty or fluid as any of the fights in Reloaded but it had heart and guts. People died, others were horribly wounded but it felt good and got a reaction out of me.

I'm not trying to start a Matrix/Buffy/Whatever debate here, I'm just commenting on my thoughts at the time. It just makes me curious as to how much Joss could accomplish with the previously mentioned (read: dreamed up) high budget...