D&D (2024) Abusing True Strike 2024

[Kurotowa]

I feel like I must be missing something. How can you pair TS with EB/AG? TS requires a weapon, and EB is a spell.

"Guided by a flash of magical insight, you make one attack with the weapon used in the spell’s casting."

Agonizing Blast and Repelling Blast are no longer locked to Eldritch Blast. Instead, when you take the invocation you pick a Warlock cantrip to assign them to. And True Strike is a Warlock cantrip.

You can't activate Agonizing Blast like this until 5th level, because the cantrip has to roll damage and True Strike doesn't have a damage component until then. But after that, it does apply.

 

[Ashrym]

I feel like I must be missing something. How can you pair TS with EB/AG? TS requires a weapon, and EB is a spell.

"Guided by a flash of magical insight, you make one attack with the weapon used in the spell’s casting."

Truestrike is a cantrip that does damage using a weapon attack as part of the cantrip. 5.24 Agonizing Blast can select a Warlock cantrip to which it applies.

Other effects that trigger on a weapon attack can be added because of that component of the cantrip.

The issue I have with the scrolls is the are cast at the lowest level required for the scroll so cantrips aren't the best approach.

 

[Ancalagon]

The issue I have with the scrolls is the are cast at the lowest level required for the scroll so cantrips aren't the best approach.

I don't agree with this ruling. The "lowest level required" refers to the slot level of the spell. A fireball scroll is a 3rd level spell. Not the level of the caster.

(an aside: in older editions, spell damage was very frequently based on the level of the caster - a 7th level wizard's fireball did 7d6 of damage, for example. In 5e I think cantrips are the only spells that have this relationship).

Second... where does it say "scrolls is the are cast at the lowest level required"? I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Ancalagon]

Yeah that is my point .... and this doesn't seem really abusive to me either.

Like others have said this is something you could do since 2014 being hasted or as a fighter with less impact on action economy and no need for a big pile of scrolls or a specific subclass.

I'm asuming that "this doesn't seem abusive either" you mean the double sneak attack with true strike scrolls?

If that's the case, haste would not allow you to sneak attack twice. However, action surge does allow you to ready, so that could be used to get a second sneak attack on another turn. It wouldn't be as often, but it wouldn't cost 15 gp per shot.

 

[Ashrym]

I don't agree with this ruling. The "lowest level required" refers to the slot level of the spell. A fireball scroll is a 3rd level spell. Not the level of the caster.

(an aside: in older editions, spell damage was very frequently based on the level of the caster - a 7th level wizard's fireball did 7d6 of damage, for example. In 5e I think cantrips are the only spells that have this relationship).

Second... where does it say "scrolls is the are cast at the lowest level required"? I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm genuinely curious.

It was a clarification in the DMG Errata.

Spells (p. 141). In the second sentence, “lowest possiblespell level” is now “lowest possible spell and caster level.”

That's how magic item DC's etc are calculated. It's minimum reqs.

 

[jmartkdr2]

I'm asuming that "this doesn't seem abusive either" you mean the double sneak attack with true strike scrolls?

If that's the case, haste would not allow you to sneak attack twice. However, action surge does allow you to ready, so that could be used to get a second sneak attack on another turn. It wouldn't be as often, but it wouldn't cost 15 gp per shot.

I think haste still works:

hasted action: stab, with sneak attack

regular action: Ready An Action to stab if you're in a position to do so and benefit from Sneak Attack.

Unless haste was rewritten to not allow readied actions with your non-hasted action, it's still good.

 

[Ancalagon]

I think haste still works:

hasted action: stab, with sneak attack

regular action: Ready An Action to stab if you're in a position to do so and benefit from Sneak Attack.

Unless haste was rewritten to not allow readied actions with your non-hasted action, it's still good.

ah - now I see it, you are correct.

 

[Ancalagon]

It was a clarification in the DMG Errata.



That's how magic item DC's etc are calculated. It's minimum reqs.

as the DMG hasn't bee published, those are 5.0 rules, and we are talking about the new true strike.

 

[Ashrym]

as the DMG hasn't bee published, those are 5.0 rules, and we are talking about the new true strike.

What rules do you think apply for DM's until the new DM is published, lol? The current rules stand until they're changed. ;-)

And I doubt they'll change.

 

[ECMO3]

I'm asuming that "this doesn't seem abusive either" you mean the double sneak attack with true strike scrolls?

Yes I don't think that 2 attacks a round while using a scroll, a bonus and reaction is some huge deal, just like it is not a huge deal for Rogues with 2 levels of fighter, or Rogues that are hasted, or Rogues that have the Pole Arm feat and hold a staff in one hand so they can sneak attack with a Shortsword in the other when someone comes into range.

Those are all gimmicks that work to make an underpowered class somewhat less underpowered.

As a matter of fact I think this is LESS effective than these because of the need to get scrolls.

If that's the case, haste would not allow you to sneak attack twice

Haste works the same way Fast Hands-Truestrike does - use your normal action to ready an action to attack and use your haste action to attack this turn.