D&D (2024) Warlock cantrips

[bedir than]

That'd be the issue. Their 'plain language' is as plain as putting on a silly French accent with a mouthful of marbles.

Their absolute terror at getting called 'boring' or 'analytical' for stating rules clearly and properly tagging things is to their detriment.

I'm sorry. This makes no sense.

The spells in question are properly tagged. They are not on either list (2014, 2024) that a Warlock gets access to

 

[Vaalingrade]

I'm sorry. This makes no sense.

The spells in question are properly tagged. They are not on either list (2014, 2024) that a Warlock gets access to

Then why are they using an existing term (cantrip) to mean something different?

 

[Mirrorrorrim]

Then why are they using an existing term (cantrip) to mean something different?

They aren't. The definition of a Cantrip is a "0-level" at-will spell.

The base term "cantrip" is not defined by who can cast it. There can be Arcane, Divine, and Primal cantrips, there can be class-specific cantrips, (like Sorcerer, Warlock, and Wizard, and more), and there can be Pact Cantrips. Heck, I would be fine if spellcasting subclasses at 3rd level got specialized subclass cantrips and spells.

One does not need to assume the worst that it will be confusing. We're not even halfway through the playtest and the designers are motivated to clean it up and have it make sense. We just need to provide our feedback.

 

[Vaalingrade]

One does not need to assume the worst that it will be confusing. We're not even halfway through the playtest and the designers are motivated to clean it up and have it make sense. We just need to provide our feedback.

I'm not assuming confusing, just poorly thought out and with no stated reasoning behind it.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

It’s in a official book they say is compatible and says warlock cantrip…I don’t understand why people don’t understand how that can be read as “a cantrip a warlock can take”

I do understand that. What I don’t understand is the insistence that it’s ambiguous in an actual rules sense, or why you’re now seemingly trying to use your initial misunderstanding to say that there is a compatibility issue.

But if enough people say “don’t worry NOBODY could make that mistake” why would they fox it?

All it takes is a statistically significant number of people who are confused, and they all six

They aren't. The definition of a Cantrip is a "0-level" at-will spell.

The base term "cantrip" is not defined by who can cast it. There can be Arcane, Divine, and Primal cantrips, there can be class-specific cantrips, (like Sorcerer, Warlock, and Wizard, and more), and there can be Pact Cantrips. Heck, I would be fine if spellcasting subclasses at 3rd level got specialized subclass cantrips and spells.

One does not need to assume the worst that it will be confusing. We're not even halfway through the playtest and the designers are motivated to clean it up and have it make sense. We just need to provide our feedback.

rheyve explicitly said that toward the end they’re going to change focus to taking all the things we like and making sure it remains compatible with the existing game.

Like…there just isn’t any reason to assume that the 2024 PHB will cause this sort of confusion, nor reason to expect the playtest to be free of such confusions.

 

[OldSchoolGamerGirl]

Because it's a Warlock cantrip, but not on the Warlock Spell list.

those words only make sense if you CHANGE editions to say that is the new rule... right now warlock spells are spells on the warlock list

The language is plain. Pick from X list means Pick from X list. Things not on the list aren't on the list.

it is the oppisite of plain

 

[HammerMan]

I do understand that. What I don’t understand is the insistence that it’s ambiguous in an actual rules sense, or why you’re now seemingly trying to use your initial misunderstanding to say that there is a compatibility issue.

Tbh I am just pushing to change them from warlock cantrips to
A) pact cantrips or B ) warlock class features.

 

[OldSchoolGamerGirl]

Tbh I am just pushing to change them from warlock cantrips to
A) pact cantrips or B ) warlock class features.

or at least C make them actual cantrips that can be picked

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Tbh I am just pushing to change them from warlock cantrips to
A) pact cantrips or B ) warlock class features.

Yeah that’s fine I’m just saying it’s not a compatibility issue, it’s just somewhat unclear playtest language.

My preference would be to keep them cantrips, but level gate taking a second and then third cantrip, OR make them invocations and taking a second one is gated until level 5, 3rd one gated to level 11. Something like that. I could be talked into 11 and 15, probably.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

or at least C make them actual cantrips that can be picked

For me, only if they’re level gated. I don’t think you should be able to master all theee boobs at level 1.