D&D 4E Martial classes

[Minigiant]

If you ignore ammo, the problem is solved forever!

It takes a hour to make poison gas bombs and they start leaking after a day of no maintenance.

I guess.

 

[Lord Shark]

Honestly, if you armed a fighter with a spear, polearm, or flail, you could get pretty controllery with tripping, slowing, and forced movement.

 

[Vaalingrade]

It takes a hour to make poison gas bombs and they start leaking after a day of no maintenance.

I guess.

You made them offscreen during downtime and use them at the most opportune moment.

No need to count or justify anything.

Like, heroes in stories only run out of ammo and tech when it would be narratively interesting, not when it would be 'logical'. Sometimes Spidey has enough web to keep the statue of liberty's arm on and sometimes he runs out ten minutes into fighting Shocker because that's the only way Shocker can be a threat to anyone.

 

[Joshua Randall]

The 4e Fighter is the martial controller. His role may be Defender, but he controls space like nobody's business and he consistently puts monsters in catch-22s (which is also control).

 

[Minigiant]

You made them offscreen during downtime and use them at the most opportune moment.

No need to count or justify anything.

Like, heroes in stories only run out of ammo and tech when it would be narratively interesting, not when it would be 'logical'. Sometimes Spidey has enough web to keep the statue of liberty's arm on and sometimes he runs out ten minutes into fighting Shocker because that's the only way Shocker can be a threat to anyone.

I was saying it as a joke mostly. That's what many would complain about. However you culdmake a mechanic where gadgeteers can spend ammo to recharge encounter powers.

However a gadgeteer with smoke bombs, fire grenades, taser fists, stun bolas, electro-nets and acid sprayers would have been cool.
It woulda been funny that the Martial Gadgeteer and the Arcane Artificer are 2 different roles.

But in my own homebrew RPG gadgeteers and artificers play very differently.
Batman vs Iron Man

 

[Garthanos]

I was saying it as a joke mostly. That's what many would complain about. However you culdmake a mechanic where gadgeteers can spend ammo to recharge encounter powers.

However a gadgeteer with smoke bombs, fire grenades, taser fists, stun bolas, electro-nets and acid sprayers would have been cool.
It woulda been funny that the Martial Gadgeteer and the Arcane Artificer are 2 different roles.

But in my own homebrew RPG gadgeteers and artificers play very differently.
Batman vs Iron Man

I have seen Batman make one time use Ironman like outfits that... we need something less frequent than dailies for that.

 

[Vaalingrade]

However a gadgeteer with smoke bombs, fire grenades, taser fists, stun bolas, electro-nets and acid sprayers would have been cool.
It woulda been funny that the Martial Gadgeteer and the Arcane Artificer are 2 different roles.

I've actually done that in the hack I've been working on. the Chemical Soldier and Bloodmyst Poisoner have encounter powers that represent their gadgets and then the Brought an Extra feat (my PrC / subclasses are feat paths) lets you recharge one of those powers.

The powered armor suits are multi-slot magic items with their own suits of encounter powers that draw from a pool of charges plus an at will unique to each.

* 'magic' being split into groups of items that are magical, mastercraft and scientific.

 

[Minigiant]

I have seen Batman make one time use Ironman like outfits that... we need something less frequent than dailies for that.

I think that's more a magic item than class feature.

 

[Garthanos]

I think that's more a magic item than class feature

remember his super power?

 

[Vaalingrade]

remember his super power?

Having been around so long that every new writer is a legacy fan who writes you as a demigod instead of the more interesting aspect of a mortal man standing shoulder to shoulder with superhumans?