Vaalingrade
Legend
The only way to truly end evil is to destroy all sapient life.
Better fire up the Infinity Gauntlet.
Better fire up the Infinity Gauntlet.
Sure, if you only care about labels rather than meaning. Which renders any discussion of the meaning of anything moot, so it's not terribly useful.If you follow the pre-modern philosophy it represents, it absolutely can.
And there's nothing wrong with doing the opposite as well, examining "pre-modern" beliefs from a perspective of having a better understanding of such things now,By engaging in this kind of fantasy, you are tacitly accepting that point of view for the duration of your engagement. There is nothing wrong with this.
That's nice. Who said anything about people not being able to enjoy anything?People can enjoy a fantasy world where good means something different than the modern view.
I didn't suggest killing the Kingpriest was the best idea. I discussed that dichotomy because it was presented. It's a false dichotomy of course, there are far more options that just killing the Kingpriest or genocide.Because killing the leader of a movement always stops the movement
If the gods of Krynn are so capricious that they will genocide people in order to prevent one of them from also becoming a god, then the Kingpriest sounds like he would fit in perfectly.And, again, what innocents? Remember, the people actually fully believed in the Kingpriest - the point where potentially their belief and faith was elevating the Kingpriest into godhood. That's not just a "we like this guy" kind of belief.
Ironically, these are misrepresentations of the arguments others have made. So there's that.This whole discussion is nothing but a series of misrepresentations of the setting. NO the good gods did not send the Cataclysm, the entire pantheon, of which the good gods belong but do not control, did. NO the good gods did not sit back and do nothing while the Kingpriest rose. They stripped him and his followers of their spells, sent numerous portents and whatnot, which, as clerics, they really, REALLY should be able to understand. NO, it was not "just the Kingpriest" who was the problem.
You're asking for WotC to change an existing setting based on a pre-modern philosophy to instead subscribe to modern sensibilities. Aside from what I see as the thematic core of the setting being gutted because some people think dragon wars with 30-year old proper names are cool, you are implying that your way is superior and existing properties should be changed to suit you.Sure, if you only care about labels rather than meaning. Which renders any discussion of the meaning of anything moot, so it's not terribly useful.
And there's nothing wrong with doing the opposite as well, examining "pre-modern" beliefs from a perspective of having a better understanding of such things now,
That's nice. Who said anything about people not being able to enjoy anything?
Let's hear them then.I didn't suggest killing the Kingpriest was the best idea. I discussed that dichotomy because it was presented. It's a false dichotomy of course, there are far more options that just killing the Kingpriest or genocide.
So, Batman is clearly evil in your definition. After all, not killing the Joker results in thousands of deaths. Repeatedly. So, you believe that Batman is evil. Superman too. After all, Lex is guilty of thousands of deaths as well, either directly or indirectly. Letting them live and just taking them to jail results in more death and misery, so, you believe that Supes and Batman are evil, right?"Not good" is NOT equivalent to "evil", so you're misrepresenting arguments here. Again.
And yes, clearly killing the Kingpriest would be a FAR lesser evil than blowing up a continent. So if those are actually your only two choices (and that's a big if), then one is preferable to the other, by miles and miles.
So... they were punished for a thought-crime?No, you added the "just" part.
And, again, what innocents? Remember, the people actually fully believed in the Kingpriest - the point where potentially their belief and faith was elevating the Kingpriest into godhood. That's not just a "we like this guy" kind of belief.
Deaths the Joker causes. Those aren't on his head.So, Batman is clearly evil in your definition. After all, not killing the Joker results in thousands of deaths.