D&D (2024) Change multiclassing prerequisites?

[tetrasodium]

I just don't understand where the desire to filter comes from. It doesn't matter to me in the slightest whether my party is all single-class or all multi-class, or anywhere in between. I care about their story concepts, not their build.

Opportunity cost that comes with multiclass/feat hopscotch for power. 5e effectively has none.

 

[tetrasodium]

There's like more than a double handful of jobs, unlike the vast generalized ability containers (and also Fighters) in d&d.

We were just talking about how a mage guild would be able to discern qualified wizards from unqualified ones without needing to use litrpg/video game style analysis powers. The fact that real world guilds and licensing boards manage to do so is a pretty clear indicator that such powers aren't needed until niche protection and opportunity cost is eroded so far that only such powers can overcome the resulting video game/litrpg design

 

[mellored]

Also let's be honest and admit we aren't talking about a paladin who really wants to be a great wizard too as the reason for getting rid of opportunity costs for that...

Paladin Bard gets a bigger hit die and better DC's than paladin wizard.

What you get with paladin wizard is rituals. That's the reason you would take it over bard.

Or you just like the idea of a paladin with a book.

Either way. Why make them pay more?

It's more the dex or con based literally anything.

Not sure how Con plays into anything.
Dex based classes can combine just fine already. There is no extra cost in being a ranger/monk/fighter/rogue/druid/cleric.

Or you could be a paladin/barbarian/bard/fighter/sorcerer/warlock without paying extra stat cost.

What's the point of drawing the line at paladin monk?

 

[mellored]

Opportunity cost that comes with multiclass/feat hopscotch for power. 5e effectively has none.

Pretty sure not getting a paladin level is an opportunity cost.

But that still has nothing to do with paladin / wizard costing more than paladin / bard.

 

[tetrasodium]

Paladin Bard gets a bigger hit die and better DC's than paladin wizard.

What you get with paladin wizard is rituals. That's the reason you would take it over bard.

Or you just like the idea of a paladin with a book.

Either way. Why make them pay more?

Not sure how Con plays into anything.
Dex based classes can combine just fine already. There is no extra cost in being a ranger/monk/fighter/rogue/druid/cleric.

Or you could be a paladin/barbarian/bard/fighter/sorcerer/warlock without paying extra stat cost.

What's the point of drawing the line at paladin monk?

I'm not the one who brought up paladin as the shining example of a great or even sane wizard build. I've already said they mc prereqs are too low in an earlier longer post. The paladin/wizard build sounds like such an extreme example of self sabotage that expecting it to be a great wizard would just make actually logical mc builds incredibly over the top.

 

[Vaalingrade]

We were just talking about how a mage guild would be able to discern qualified wizards from unqualified ones without needing to use litrpg/video game style analysis powers. The fact that real world guilds and licensing boards manage to do so is a pretty clear indicator that such powers aren't needed until niche protection and opportunity cost is eroded so far that only such powers can overcome the resulting video game/litrpg design

Real world guilds have granular criteria.

D&D classes are Are you angry when you kill people, or do you do a little speech and do some shadow puppets? Are you competent at skills or are you not a Bard or Rogue? They're way too big a box to decide they're all the same thing and should all go in the same clubhouse.

Like what do the Champions talk about to real fighters? Are the Necromancers really going to hang with those terrifying, immoral Enchanters?

 

[tetrasodium]

Real world guilds have granular criteria.

5e does not have mechanical hooks for granularity. Granularity was thrown out the window in the name of simplicity and streamlining at any cost

 

[Vaalingrade]

5e does not have mechanical hooks for granularity. Granularity was thrown out the window in the name of simplicity and streamlining at any cost

And being in the Playtest forum, we can say that was a poor choice and they should stop doing that.

 

[Corinnguard]

What would 5e look like if it did have the mechanical hooks for granularity?

 

[MichaelSomething]

I don't know how I can explain how niche protection works and how that existing within the system allows the gm room to do things that might not otherwise be reasonable. 5e is made weaker by it's efforts to erode it and people are talking about eroding what little there is even further.

Death to niche protection! It's just the 4E idea of "combat roles" in natural language! Give players the freedom to play whatever concept represents their character! I'm sure an empowered DM can deal with whatever combination of characters the party is!