Buffy question

[Hypersmurf]

We just started rewatching Buffy season 1.

In the fourth episode, Teacher's Pet, Angel gives Buffy his jacket at The Bronze. He's wearing a chain around his neck that goes under his shirt... and it looks a whole lot like there's a cross on the end of it.

Had Joss already decided by this point that Angel was a vampire? Or did that maybe get added after?

-Hyp.

 

[Umbran]

As I understand it, Angel was conceived as a vampire from the very beginning.

 

[RichCsigs]

Joss has always said that he had concieved Angel as a vampire from the beginning but there is enough cercumstantial evidence out there that a lot of fans don't believe that to be the case. My personal belief is that Joss may be speaking the truth, but that he didn't tell other people (directors, costumers, etc.) which is why you see Angel early on wearing crosses or standing in sunlight.

 

[SteelDraco]

While it's most likely an exercise in making excuses, I can actually see Angel wearing a cross as an act of contrition. Sort of like wearing a hair shirt, only more extreme.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

While it's most likely an exercise in making excuses, I can actually see Angel wearing a cross as an act of contrition. Sort of like wearing a hair shirt, only more extreme.

[sblock=A certain character in comic books does that!]The Confessor, in Astro City, is a Batman-like superhero, who also happens to be a vampire and a former Catholic priest.[/sblock]

 

[SteelDraco]

[sblock=A certain character in comic books does that!]The Confessor, in Astro City, is a Batman-like superhero, who also happens to be a vampire and a former Catholic priest.[/sblock]

Haha. True. That's one of my favorite comic TPBs, actually.

 

[Hypersmurf]

While it's most likely an exercise in making excuses, I can actually see Angel wearing a cross as an act of contrition. Sort of like wearing a hair shirt, only more extreme.

Well, sure, but we looked for smoke and couldn't see any

-Hyp.

 

[Vigilance]

Joss has always said that he had concieved Angel as a vampire from the beginning but there is enough cercumstantial evidence out there that a lot of fans don't believe that to be the case. My personal belief is that Joss may be speaking the truth, but that he didn't tell other people (directors, costumers, etc.) which is why you see Angel early on wearing crosses or standing in sunlight.

Well, Joss has said that he was still working out the "rules" for vampires in the early run of the show, so maybe he hadn't yet decided whether sunlight would be harmful, or crosses, even though Angel was a vampire.

I could see it either way myself, though in the pilot his relationship with Darla and the Master seems established to me.

Also, as for sunlight, they play fast and loose with that on many occasions in the Buffy/Angel run, mostly for reasons of practicality.

 

[Klaus]

Well, Joss has said that he was still working out the "rules" for vampires in the early run of the show, so maybe he hadn't yet decided whether sunlight would be harmful, or crosses, even though Angel was a vampire.

I could see it either way myself, though in the pilot his relationship with Darla and the Master seems established to me.

Also, as for sunlight, they play fast and loose with that on many occasions in the Buffy/Angel run, mostly for reasons of practicality.

Yeah. In the Buffyverse, direct sunlight burns a vampire, but they often get around that by being shaded (Spike often covered himself in his trenchcoat to run to and from a building, and he had an old muscle car with the windows painted black so he could drive around all day long).

Which begs the question of why would Angel and his ilk go to California and not, say, Seattle.

 

[Vigilance]

Yeah. In the Buffyverse, direct sunlight burns a vampire, but they often get around that by being shaded (Spike often covered himself in his trenchcoat to run to and from a building, and he had an old muscle car with the windows painted black so he could drive around all day long).

Which begs the question of why would Angel and his ilk go to California and not, say, Seattle.

Because the film industry is in California?

Also, I think Joss just loved the idea of him being in the City of Angels, hence the title of the pilot, "City of..."