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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6346518" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>Well, it depends. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>If your party is low level, that will certainly be true. In fact, that might be using too soft of a touch. </p><p></p><p>Let's say your party is 5th level but have basically no magic items. You can treat them as 4th level and that should do fine against encounters with monsters of CR 2-6 as normal. However, all CR ratings are subjective and suspect. You need to inspect the monsters and see whether or not there is an assumption in the CR rating that the party has a counter to the monsters attacks and defenses. A typical CR 5 monster with DR 10/magic does not increase its CR on account of that DR because the assumption is that most 5th level parties will have a range of magical items. If your party has no magic items, the expected results will be more like sending a 4th level party versus a CR 6 monster (rather than a 5th level party versus a CR 5 monster).</p><p></p><p>On the other hand, something like a Dire Lion can be treated as being still basically CR 5 because its just a non-magical brute. Your party is only marginally worse off, a lost point or two of AC, a lost point or two of damage per attack. So the expectation is for a result similar to sending a 4th level party to face a CR 5 monster.</p><p></p><p>I'm guessing caution is warranted. Because there are plenty of tools in 3e to subvert any low magic trope the DM implements and turn it into a situation where, "No one has magic but us." That the party has not done so suggests you don't want to turn the screws too hard.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In general, 3e works better because of the action economy if you increase the number of foes compared to increasing the EL by increasing the CR of a single foe. This is regardless of what the issue is you are trying to solve. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>With 5 casters in the party - including 3 of the 4 Tier 1 classes - if they have any idea what they are doing at all, they'll soon be able to overcome any missing treasure handily. Have you also banned item creation feats?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6346518, member: 4937"] Well, it depends. ;) If your party is low level, that will certainly be true. In fact, that might be using too soft of a touch. Let's say your party is 5th level but have basically no magic items. You can treat them as 4th level and that should do fine against encounters with monsters of CR 2-6 as normal. However, all CR ratings are subjective and suspect. You need to inspect the monsters and see whether or not there is an assumption in the CR rating that the party has a counter to the monsters attacks and defenses. A typical CR 5 monster with DR 10/magic does not increase its CR on account of that DR because the assumption is that most 5th level parties will have a range of magical items. If your party has no magic items, the expected results will be more like sending a 4th level party versus a CR 6 monster (rather than a 5th level party versus a CR 5 monster). On the other hand, something like a Dire Lion can be treated as being still basically CR 5 because its just a non-magical brute. Your party is only marginally worse off, a lost point or two of AC, a lost point or two of damage per attack. So the expectation is for a result similar to sending a 4th level party to face a CR 5 monster. I'm guessing caution is warranted. Because there are plenty of tools in 3e to subvert any low magic trope the DM implements and turn it into a situation where, "No one has magic but us." That the party has not done so suggests you don't want to turn the screws too hard. In general, 3e works better because of the action economy if you increase the number of foes compared to increasing the EL by increasing the CR of a single foe. This is regardless of what the issue is you are trying to solve. With 5 casters in the party - including 3 of the 4 Tier 1 classes - if they have any idea what they are doing at all, they'll soon be able to overcome any missing treasure handily. Have you also banned item creation feats? [/QUOTE]
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