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D&D 5E Why is There No Warlord Equivalent in 5E?


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pawsplay

Hero
But that's just every rage. There's nothing more complicated to frenzy other than the consequences of failing to continue rage, which is one of the easiest things to continue in a combat. I have yet to see a barb have a problem continuing a rage when necessary.

I guess that depends if you classify having to injure yourself as a problem.
 

Micah Sweet

Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
Maybe. But for the change to actually happen, truly required a consensus across the D&D community. The frustration with vancian casting became a consensus toward the end of 3e. The 3e Psion (points) and 3e Warlock (invocations) were born out of that consensus. Then they were working on 4e, which mainly began to understand how a game engine works, but also standardized Atwills and Encounters.
The 3e psion was developed and released relatively early in 3e's run, actually.
 

James Gasik

We don't talk about Pun-Pun
Supporter
The 3e psion was developed and released relatively early in 3e's run, actually.
Well, to be fair, the 3e Psion does have noticeable differences with the 3.5 Expanded Psionics Handbook Psion. They might look the same, but six subclasses of the same class with a different casting stat was a bit eye-brow raising.

Heck, I had DM's giving me the hairy eyeball for playing an Illumian ("What do you mean, you use your Strength to determine your spells?")!
 

I guess that depends if you classify having to injure yourself as a problem.

I mean, for a barb? If we want to go with that, unarmed attack, halved to 1-2 damage? I find the easier way is to continue attacking most of the time, which is typically when the rage is needed the most because it means you're stuck in. But again, the big reason when you rage is a consideration with the berserker is because the subclass is basically broken at moment and they (as far as I remember, which admittedly was something like a year ago since I checked) did some decent work fixing things in that regard.
 

Yaarel

He-Mage
Do we talk about Paladin as a Cavalier subclass? A subclass of a subclass? Or pretend that didn't happen?
Huh. I do but I didnt realize it.

It is reasonable to split the 5e Fighter into two separate classes, a heavy infantry Knight and a light infantry Skirmisher. The Knight gets the heavy armor, the Skirmisher gets the mobility. The Skirmisher keeps the name "Fighter".

Knight subclasses include: Cavalier, Paladin, Battlemaster, Samurai, and Eldritch Knight. (Eldritch Knight actually dabbles in light Mage Armor with magical mobility, but is a tank.)

Skirmisher subclasses include: Ranger, Champion, Barbarian, Scout, Athlete, and Psi War.

Rogue is special ops.

Monk is all Dex-fighting.

Warlord is military intelligence and inspiration.
 
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Undrave

Legend
That's because people usually don't point out when they becoming ineligible to continue raging. I'm not making things more complicated than they are, I'm stating them exactly as complicated as they are. A frenzy still has to follow all the rules of rage. But now, not only do you have to remember those pesky requirements, but if you don't keep it going, you get hit with the exhaustion hammer.
And that's why people play Bear Barbarians instead of the lame Beserker.
 

Micah Sweet

Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
I don't want WOTC to design around me.

I want WOTC to not design around the desires of 20% of the community and have that decision hold the game and community hostage for 2 decades.
Then you're going to have to get at least 70% of WotC's consumer base to agree, vociferously and publicly, with you. Because that's the only way WotC makes those kinds of changes.
 

Micah Sweet

Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
Well, to be fair, the 3e Psion does have noticeable differences with the 3.5 Expanded Psionics Handbook Psion. They might look the same, but six subclasses of the same class with a different casting stat was a bit eye-brow raising.

Heck, I had DM's giving me the hairy eyeball for playing an Illumian ("What do you mean, you use your Strength to determine your spells?")!
I preferred 3.0's psion, personally.
 

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