le Redoutable
Ich bin El Glouglou :)
Conan the King also ( i. e. a Ruler as a third class )
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D&D (2024) What type of ranger would your prefer for 2024?
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Horwath
Legend
If half casters progressed like this it would be better.
Left table is current, right table is with new spell levels equal to full casters, capped at 5th level.
Last column is comparison of spellpoints worth of slots.
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Mirrorrorrim
Hero
What? There was no design in the old-school ranger. Just looking at the 2E Ranger...
- They had proficiency slots (like everyone did.)
- They had Favored Enemy, which meant they had a +4 to attack one monster... for the rest of their careers. Choose orcs? That was great at low levels (if the DM used them), if you chose dragons, that was worthless until higher levels. They also had a built-in enmity that was hard to hide and made it hard to be friendly to a friendly version of that creature (like a friendly dragon). Thumbs down then, thumbs down now.
- They had a scaling percentile for Hide in Shadows and Move Silently (translates to skills).
- They had Animal Empathy for domestic or non-hostile animals, which was a saving throw (translates to skills).
- At 8th level they got access to 1 "Priest" spell chosen from the Animal and Plant spheres. It scaled very slowly from there, up to 3rd level spells
- At 10th level they got access to Strongholds and Followers. If you never reached the level to get spells, you never played with strongholds and followers. I know I never played in a game with Strongholds and Followers back in the day.
I reeeally don't understand the fascination with ancient design that has long been left behind. It feels like people have a powerful nostalgia for their old games that contained some of their favorite stories, and they extrapolate that into assuming the rules were great because of it.
The rules did the bare minimum of helping with an identity, but looking back, they weren't "great". I loved my old-school ranger because of the stories I got to play with that character. The class rules brought almost nothing to the table.
While I am 100% on board with a spell less ranger, I recognize that ship has long sailed. The ranger will always have spells.
So to me I would rather the divide be combat and utility.
Combat is a martial affair, focus on the rangers wit and will.
But out of combat, if a ranger is summoning magical animals, or calling on the spirit of the eagle to give them unparalleled vision or something, I can get behind that.
So to me I would rather the divide be combat and utility.
Combat is a martial affair, focus on the rangers wit and will.
But out of combat, if a ranger is summoning magical animals, or calling on the spirit of the eagle to give them unparalleled vision or something, I can get behind that.
ART!
Deluxe Unhuman
Please keep us posted on your progress with this!!!
I lean toward wanting a spell-less ranger, with spell-ful subclasses fur those who want that.
5E's interest in dealing with the challenges of nature and travel is so anemic that it's no surprise the ranger feels weird. I get why they chose to address those things with a light touch, but it doesn't give rangers much room to shine.
This is... this is pretty great, and approaches a fair swap. I'd drop in some salve/poultice abilities and travel buffs.
It's not that he's unable, but rather that he chooses not to. Between sticking to his assignment/purpose and not wanting to be a beacon for The Eye to find (and those two things are arguably the same thing), he keeps a low profile until its do-or-die time.
le Redoutable
Ich bin El Glouglou :)
What about pilot stuff ?
Yaarel
🇮🇱He-Mage
Generally, piloting is a Tool proficiency, specifically a vehicle.
Yaarel
🇮🇱He-Mage
Heh, here is a way to get players into the Wilderness.
The Wilderness entangles the Plane of the Feywild. The Wilderness suffuses spell casters with magical energy, replenish spell slots, and enhances spell effects.
The Ranger now becomes one of the most important classes in the game.
Youre welcome.
le Redoutable
Ich bin El Glouglou :)
Ok, everyone can drive a vehicle, but to me Rangers should be expert pilots, that is, the rally type ( so piloting should be a built-in thing )
Vaalingrade
Legend
Far be it to defend 5e, but D&D gave up on trying to make exploration fun decades ago. The best they can think of for it is a bunch of penalties and logistical busywork instead of giving any reason to want to engage with it.
It's like underwater adventuring; a thing some DMs are eager to drag their suffering players into like the bumbling dad in an 80's movie dragging his poor kids on a camping trip none of them will enjoy.
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