Recent content by FrogReaver

Why?

That's the thing, i think in the style of game you play that Sorcerers are better through level 10. I don't think that's universal, but probably a bit more common than wizards being better in those levels. Arcana Expertise, Intelligence Skills, Find Familiar, Tiny Hut, Augury and Detect Magic...

And when you factor in some of those being rituals, it's very possible the wizard has even fewer non-ritual spells known than the sorcerer. And even if only a few rituals are taken it makes the gap nearly nonexistent. It only takes knowing 4 rituals by level 5 for the Wizard to not know any...

I literally didn't. I'll even quote the relevant bit for you... Note: I specifically left open how many rituals he might take. I only noted that if rituals are taken it ranges from very few more non-ritual spells known than the sorcerer to potentially fewer non-ritual spells known. Another...

The only contention I have here is that the Wizard is going to take a few rituals. Every ritual taken is a spell that's not really worth preparing for any reason, including scribing a scroll. So to say with a blanket statement that wizards scribe scrolls better because they have more spells...

Let me spell it out a little more clearly. If the Wizard chooses to not take rituals and was correct not to, in that they would not be useful in the campaign, then that's a campaign where the sorcerer is already outright better (outside very high levels), regardless of this wizard being able to...

I just meant in terms of non ritual spells known vs sorcerers. I think it takes till t4 to really accomplish that.

If I’m looking at a level 5 wizard vs level 5 sorcerer. The wizard knows 14-16 spells (subclass dependent) and maybe one more from magic initiate. He can prepare 9. By the time you add in whatever rituals the wizard doesn’t want to prepare. Find familiar, tiny hut,detect magic, comprehend...

Okay but sorcerer and wizard seem equal on both those axises?

My next mimic shall quack.

As with most things, there's elements of both present. There's a planning and an execution element. Charisma is definitely the social execution stat. Intelligence would be the planning aspects and also what I would use for execution of a forgery. The thing is we usually don't roll about the...

I have no idea how either of these classes embodies either of those things moreso than the other. Maybe you can explain it more clearly.

I'm a bit unclear on why you suggest that scroll scribing benefits the Wizard more? In 2024, all that's needed is you have the spell prepared, arcana or cartographer tool proficiency and the gold/time to create the scroll. Wizards don't do this cheaper or faster anymore. EDIT: Side note on...

@Umbran Wanted to report the above post.

1. Representative of what? For the most part play testing is only done by the most dedicated of groups that already play the current version of the game. I don't think it was that way for 2014 as we were coming off a fairly controversial edition, but for 2024 it was still highly successful...