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Then why did you say this in response? Makes no sense.

This is why I asked about champion right after talking about Battlemaster. Because you explicitly brought it up in the same post AFTER asking about Battlemaster manuevers. Goodness gracious.

Ok. And?

But you specifically asked about it on a champion build in that very post…?

One other cool thing. With a hand crossbow you can also use a nick thrown weapon in place of your bonus action hand crossbow attack. Any time you bonus action move hunters mark this could be an option.

The point applies to everyone. Not just me. ;)

Why is it the best?

Ambush for the initiative bonus, especially if you have alert. Menacing for the fear I can see arguments for Pushing, Trip, Precision and Maneuvering. Specifically for a group with a cleric which I think you mentioned I would do Maneuvering Maneuvering - allowing allies to move off turn, like...

Mostly yea. 1. Case: LTH Doesn't matter If they party didn't need to rest then LTH doesn't come into it. 2. Case: LTH always matters If the party did need to rest then continuing on wasn't a good plan anyways. (LTH is of universal benefit here. You are much better having it than not in...

@CptMetal Have you considered a battlemaster using your dual hand crossbows? Eventually take a dip into Ranger for Hunters Mark? Menacing attack option gives you some nice control options. By the time you factor in vex, action surge and superiority die damage you'll have good ranged DPR...

I don't disagree, but if only command is axed then it's next man up and the next man up is still pretty dang good, better in some ways, worse in others.

This mindset explains a whole whole lot. I'm sure it bleeds over into other aspects of the game as well. Kind of a self fulfilling prophecy IMO.

Would the piercer feat help?

That’s fascinating to me. You talk about how strong spells are and nerf martial defenses to said spells. I really don’t get it.

Missing with an attack doesn’t expend a resource and you typically get multiple attacks. That’s the basis for why they feel different.

Command will just be replaced with Tasha’s laughter or hold person or sleep or etc… The problem really is many cheap, scalable, easily accessible control spells that can affect most creatures.

I resemble that comment!

Not sure your point?

There’s many things I know without ever having to try.

I think the background would be okay on dex based Battlemaster fighters with menacing strike. The stats align well enough. The feat is decent if you commonly cause fear. Even if you never use the wisdom based fear. But the Battlemaster fighter could have Wis as a tertiary and still make decent...