Online. With adults.Where the h*ck are you playing?!
in my experence they just ask why, and as long as you have a good story reason they roll with it.It is in my experience. Try introducing things that limit creative character building and see what happens.
I use those at Cons, but I don't have time or energy to make them for a campaign.Pre-gens.
I personally don't like those so I wouldn't. do that... I did have to use random in order stats in my current game and it totally ruined what I wanted to play... but it did end up with a funny characterRandom stats. Random, in order stats.
I only see this with players that played in 3.5 and pathfinder, new players are normally "Cool what options can I pick from"Restricted races, classes, subclasses, feats, spells, etc. Anything that curtails the “I’m so unique and special” vibe is anathema. Even if no one planned on using it.
I have so many friends (through my fiancé) that do the other roleplayer thing with OCs and this isn't like any of them...It’s not about new or younger players. It’s a play culture thing. The entire OC style is based on it. And that seems like a hugely outsized part of the fan base at the moment.
This doesn’t actually answer the question?Online. With adults.
ETA: To be clear, this is also a large part of the reason I quit playing 5E. Too much toxic BS and entitled nonsense.
Yeah, and? Nothing that didn't happen back in the 80s. Heck, we even had a magazine or two that published people's homebrew stuff.By way of example for this phenomena, I just had a new player enter my group. The first things he asked were, "Can I play a homebrew race?" "Do you allow multiclassing?" And, "How much backstory can I give you?".
Right?Building original characters is toxic and entitled is not a position I ever expected to see
I had someone tell me in one of the (now closed) Dragon Lance threads that in 1e (TBF i started in 2e) making a character from the PHB wasn't expected, you would play pregens and (I guess this is where the joke I always hear is from) if your character dies you take the same pregen and (maybe) change the name and that is your new character...Building original characters is toxic and entitled is not a position I ever expected to see
in the 90s not only would we have dozens of 'splat books' and magazine options but people would be like "I built my own class with fighter thac0 and theives skills and some spells"Yeah, and? Nothing that didn't happen back in the 80s. Heck, we even had a magazine or two that published people's homebrew stuff.
Ah, the "custom class" rule from DMG 2e. I'm sure they meant well, but calling that system half-baked is giving it half too much credit.in the 90s not only would we have dozens of 'splat books' and magazine options but people would be like "I built my own class with fighter thac0 and theives skills and some spells"