Witcher 4 Trailer, A Few Musings

ruemere

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The trailer for Witcher 4 hit the Internet today. I am slightly disappointed with its quality - and so here are a few musings of mine on the subject.

But first, the links:
Witcher 4 trailer, English version

Witcher 4 trailer, Polish version (the voice acting changes perspective... somewhat)

THE GOOD
  • It's Witcher, it's Ciri, it's dark and brutal, and the bad stuff happens even if your intentions are good.
  • The quality of visuals is stunning.

THE BAD
  • Compared to Night to Remember, compared to CyberPunks 2077 with its haunting Bullets theme - it is just not in the same league.
  • The camera operator still needs to learn a lot about how to convey narrative. The beggining of the trailer is pretty good, but the fight, and the conclusion are pretty meh. Just look at film maker's reaction to Night to Remember.
  • Ciri apparently drinks Witcher's elixirs. This implies several things - like her undergoing the Trial of Grasses, a highest lethality phase of witcher training (this means, that she mutated, that she's suffered a lot) - this would mean that papa Geralt was OK with possibly killing his daughter. Somehow, unless mommy Yennefer improved the process, I don't think it would happen.
  • Ciri breaks the cardinal rule of the witcher franchise - each commissioned kill requires preparations. It looks like Ciri's actions are made on the spur of the moment, with no prior thought to the nature of the enemy. Sharpening a weapon, drinking a potion in a middle of combat... hardly a proper preparation.
  • One of the reason Geralt adapted stoic approach is that he felt powerless. The few times he lost control, or he tried to make a stand, he had to pay a spectacular price. This is one of the reasons the Butcher of Blaviken hits so hard. So, again, it is unlikely that Ciri would just mercilessly kill the rural folk. And so her grandstanding act feels so out of place.

THE UGLY
  • Hey, it's another Unreal trailer.
  • The commoners and their prejudice. One of the common themes of commoners sacrificing their children to dark gods of woods is that without mystic protection their villages would perish. By killing the dark protector, Ciri is likely to have doomed the village in the long run.
  • Hey, it is D&D fight. Witcher monsters usually come with complicated backstories, and rooting them out means destroying a piece of history. Hence, the lead in to the fight is important. During this fight, however, we get to fight, lose some hitpoints and then that's it. There is an old, old trailer for Witcher #1 with Geralt facing off against a strzyga (PL voiceover version, because it is so good) - he takes his time to delay things, to keep the distance, to avoid contact. And in the end, a single mistake almost costs him his life. Meanwhile Ciri - well, she hits, she gets hit, she does two magic tricks, and then the monster runs out of hitpoints.
  • Where is the haunting music of the previous entries? The ambience seems fine, the music - it's not there. Hopefully, they'll improve by the next trailer.

BOTTOM LINE
It's good, it's just not that good.
 
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It felt Witcher in tone, but I agree with you.

I played 2&3 and loved the games but I am not a massive Witcher fan so I just do not have a dog in the fight. I hope it is a quality game but I have been so disappointed with most games lately that I cannot get excited anymore.

The last game I was excited for was Veilguard. It was just a bad Dragon Age game. It was not a bad game but I found it boring. The combat was just the same grind over and over again and there was no meaningful choices or player agency to the game. You could not even interact with your companions unless the story told you too and the companions described everything you saw in the game and told you how to solve every puzzle. I played 20 hours and just stopped playing as there was nothing to keep my interest.
 

Witcher's have always been okay with their charges dying in the Trials. And most of those kids do not go into it with their eyes wide open and the Elder Blood to stiffen their spine the way Ciri would have. Not that we know the circumstances: it looks like Ciri is at least twenty years older here. We have no idea whether she tried walking the Path without mutagens, or for how long. Uniquely in this case there are literally multiple worlds of possibilities for how she got to this point.
 

Ciri apparently drinks Witcher's elixirs. This implies several things - like her undergoing the Trial of Grasses, a highest lethality phase of witcher training (this means, that she mutated, that she's suffered a lot) - this would mean that papa Geralt was OK with possibly killing his daughter. Somehow, unless mommy Yennefer improved the process, I don't think it would happen.
I assume you didn't finish Witcher 3 and/or got the Ciri dies or Ciri becomes Empress endings? Because Ciri becoming a witcher with Geralt's help is very strongly hinted at in the other ending (I don't consider this a spoiler given this is discussion of a trailer where an older Ciri is a witcher lol).

Ciri breaks the cardinal rule of the witcher franchise - each commissioned kill requires preparations. It looks like Ciri's actions are made on the spur of the moment, with no prior thought to the nature of the enemy. Sharpening a weapon, drinking a potion in a middle of combat... hardly a proper preparation.
It's a trailer, this is not a reasonable criticism.

The commoners and their prejudice. One of the common themes of commoners sacrificing their children to dark gods of woods is that without mystic protection their villages would perish. By killing the dark protector, Ciri is likely to have doomed the village in the long run.
Assumption, and let's be real, Ciri has far more brains than Geralt ever had, so probably has a much better grasp on whether this is actually true in this context. Even if it is, what's the complaint? How is this bad? This sort of thing is a major subject of the Witcher games - Geralt absolutely can and has chosen to do similar.

Hey, it is D&D fight. Witcher monsters usually come with complicated backstories, and rooting them out means destroying a piece of history. Hence, the lead in to the fight is important. During this fight, however, we get to fight, lose some hitpoints and then that's it.
It's a trailer, this is not a reasonable criticism.

Particularly not when the super-cautious, ultra-prepared way is absolutely not how TW2 or TW3 play. Whereas it was how TW1 played - but no doubt will NOT be how the TW1 remake plays.

Hey, it's another Unreal trailer.
This is a more reasonable criticism lol, the impact is definitely reduced by it being so generically "Unreal trailer"-looking.

Not that we know the circumstances: it looks like Ciri is at least twenty years older here. We have no idea whether she tried walking the Path without mutagens, or for how long. Uniquely in this case there are literally multiple worlds of possibilities for how she got to this point.
Exactly. Without knowing the context, there's very little one can say here, and I doubt CDPR will have screwed up the story of a Witcher game, honestly. Their ideas are generally a lot strong than the fan-fiction-y ideas fans have.

My only disappointment is that it's Ciri not a create-your-own-witcher as it had been long-rumoured to be. Ciri is cool, and better her than forcing Geralt out of retirement, but I feel like create-your-own would have allowed them to do a ton more with the story. Interestingly CDPR confirmed they'd never planned it to be create-your-own, despite the pretty strong rumours, and had picked Ciri as the main character early on (makes sense given one of the TW3 endings). Interestingly they've said in an interview that any of the three endings of TW3 will be accounted for, which is er, surprising.

One thing I'm surprised I've not seen mentioned is that Ciri is not Wolf school like Geralt, but rather Lynx school (a school of which we know little), which suggests to me her main training as a witcher wasn't from Geralt.
 

I would hope that if the trailer reflects an event in the game, they let you play a very dark Witcher.

For example, let me tell that town leader I killed the monster they worshipped and I now demand a NEW sacrifice, as he killed the girl, I demand his life and the blood of anything connected to him (though I would spare the children). Everything from him must die to honor their new Monster of the Woods.

And then...then I demand payment (gold) for the killing.
 

I would hope that if the trailer reflects an event in the game, they let you play a very dark Witcher.

For example, let me tell that town leader I killed the monster they worshipped and I now demand a NEW sacrifice, as he killed the girl, I demand his life and the blood of anything connected to him (though I would spare the children). Everything from him must die to honor their new Monster of the Woods.

And then...then I demand payment (gold) for the killing.
That seems very unlikely given it's Ciri, and she's already been established as having a specific personality, a certain degree of morality and so on. So yeah no, safe to say that sort of thing won't be on the menu, as Ciri isn't a psycho serial killer and this isn't BG3.

More likely if the town leader killed the girl (unclear - she may have killed herself), you can probably kill him and yell at the townspeople.
 

I assume you didn't finish Witcher 3 and/or got the Ciri dies or Ciri becomes Empress endings? Because Ciri becoming a witcher with Geralt's help is very strongly hinted at in the other ending (I don't consider this a spoiler given this is discussion of a trailer where an older Ciri is a witcher lol).

Wrong assumptions. I know it's Internet and I may be expecting a lot, however I would appreciate if you focused on the subject instead of making wild guesses.

(regarding lack of proper preparations)
It's a trailer, this is not a reasonable criticism.
There are at least two trailers, Night to Remember, and the one I linked in the post above, that emphasize preparations prior to monster hunt. And you've ignored my chief complaint - Ciri's improvising. It's been at least ten, maybe more years since the events of the Wild Hunt, she must've been to many hunts.

Assumption, and let's be real, Ciri has far more brains than Geralt ever had, so probably has a much better grasp on whether this is actually true in this context. Even if it is, what's the complaint? How is this bad? This sort of thing is a major subject of the Witcher games - Geralt absolutely can and has chosen to do similar.
Oh, but that's one of the main component of multiple Witcher stories and quests. The ecology, the right to exist, the matter of lengths one goes toward surviving. Do I really need to put together a laundry list of moments Geralt is painfully aware of the hard choices he makes?

This is older, mature Ciri. A little thought should have been given to this, a nod to viewers to indicate that she is not a self-righteous person who sees world in black and white.

And now I feel I need to return your question: did you play Red Baron quest? The alderman's ear - does that ring a bell?

(hey, it's D&D combat)
It's a trailer, this is not a reasonable criticism.

Particularly not when the super-cautious, ultra-prepared way is absolutely not how TW2 or TW3 play. Whereas it was how TW1 played - but no doubt will NOT be how the TW1 remake plays.
Actually, the trailers were better about conveying the risk of the combat, and the damage Geralt took. I expected Ciri - when she gets hit on the face, to show at least a bruise, a bit of blood.

And, this is a freaking annoying thing - in a middle of combat, you take eyes off your enemy, bare your throat and gulp a potion:
Here's where she gets hit on her face - with no attempt to cover it:
Such a sloppy work on the side of animators :(

This is a more reasonable criticism lol, the impact is definitely reduced by it being so generically "Unreal trailer"-looking.

We're agreed on this, though I hope this is just how early in development we are, with not enough assets.

Exactly. Without knowing the context, there's very little one can say here, and I doubt CDPR will have screwed up the story of a Witcher game, honestly. Their ideas are generally a lot strong than the fan-fiction-y ideas fans have.

My only disappointment is that it's Ciri not a create-your-own-witcher as it had been long-rumoured to be. Ciri is cool, and better her than forcing Geralt out of retirement, but I feel like create-your-own would have allowed them to do a ton more with the story. Interestingly CDPR confirmed they'd never planned it to be create-your-own, despite the pretty strong rumours, and had picked Ciri as the main character early on (makes sense given one of the TW3 endings). Interestingly they've said in an interview that any of the three endings of TW3 will be accounted for, which is er, surprising.

One thing I'm surprised I've not seen mentioned is that Ciri is not Wolf school like Geralt, but rather Lynx school (a school of which we know little), which suggests to me her main training as a witcher wasn't from Geralt.

Given that most of the old Witcher lore died with Vesemir, I would expect that witchers were reinvented by Yennefer and Geralt. With fewer orphans dying, and more consideration given to the world at large. I fully expect that new witchers are different, have different rules or role to fulfil.

Regards,
Ruemere
 



Would you rather they not use the game engine for the trailer or is it the fact that they switched from REDengine to UE5?
It's not in-game nor using game assets so there's no requirement to use Unreal for the trailer. And Unreal has a sort of generic and slightly bland look unless used with great care.

Wrong assumptions. I know it's Internet and I may be expecting a lot, however I would appreciate if you focused on the subject instead of making wild guesses.
Your objection makes no sense to me if you played TW3 and saw the ending I noted. Did you play TW3? I would assume a Witcher fan like yourself would have. TW3's ending establishes that Ciri does probably go on to be a witcher!

As for the "daddy Geralt", again, an objection which doesn't make sense given the story of the games/books - Geralt is completely unable to control Ciri, and doesn't even really want to! He is not "the boss of her"! He cares about her and is concerned for her, but their relationship has to come down to him allowing her to make her own decisions. So the say is ultimately hers - at worst he can choose to not help her become a witcher.

Further, we see pretty clear evidence that Geralt wasn't the one who trained her or who performed the Trial of Grasses, because she's wearing a Lynx medallion, not a Wolf one! Someone who wasn't Geralt did her proper training and administered the actual trial. Which might indicate that Geralt doesn't approve of the choice Ciri made, or might mean Geralt was out of the picture in some other way.

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See? Unquestionably Lynx, which is the revived Cat school combined with some Wolf ideas and some new stuff entirely.

And you've ignored my chief complaint - Ciri's improvising. It's been at least ten, maybe more years since the events of the Wild Hunt, she must've been to many hunts.
Because it ignores the actual story shown in the trailer. Also, we don't know how experienced she is as a witcher, so assuming she's been hunting 24/7 since the end of the previous game is a little strange.

One theory I've seen is that she tried being a "witcher" (i.e. a monster-hunter) with her own nigh-demi-god-like powers for a while, that didn't work out (possibly lost her powers somehow, or nearly died in a situation where a witcher wouldn't), and she took the Trial of Grasses and became a "proper" witcher. So she might actually be extremely new to the "normal" witcher business in a lot of ways.

In fact, logically, that's highly likely - the game may well start with her pretty inexperienced. Note that this is the first game in a trilogy, too. This is the equivalent of Witcher 1, where Geralt is relatively green!

Ciri breaks the cardinal rule of the witcher franchise - each commissioned kill requires preparations. It looks like Ciri's actions are made on the spur of the moment, with no prior thought to the nature of the enemy. Sharpening a weapon, drinking a potion in a middle of combat... hardly a proper preparation.
Presumably because Ciri doesn't know exactly what she's facing - it seems like she might have arrived pretty much that morning, from the intercutting between her preparing and the sacrificial victim being prepared. You know perfectly well that witchers often end up in situations where they essentially have to act now and not in eight hours, or a day or a week as they'd prefer. Where they don't get to do reconnaissance and research. Where they have to drink a potion on the spot and not beforehand. To pretend otherwise is absolute shenanigans, and refuted by all three Witcher games (and the books to some extent). So she prepares as best she can - she sharpens her weapons, she has her chain ready, and she presumably has a number of potions prepared based on what she anticipates facing. Then she uses the appropriate one.

(You bring up the Bloody Baron, but that's a counter-point to this - in the BB, Geralt has a ton of time to find out what's up, what's going on, and how to counteract it - and a good thing too, or everything would go much worse! It's not a strict "person already walking into forest" clock like this. When Geralt has to act relatively fast like this, things are often messier.)

And, this is a freaking annoying thing - in a middle of combat, you take eyes off your enemy, bare your throat and gulp a potion:
A meaningless "CinemaSins Ding"-type complaint.

It's literally not a real criticism, it's just sniping at a particular image, which could be easily explained by Ciri being aware that the monster wasn't near her, and thus drinking a potion the optimal way (which requires lifting your head back). In the actual TW3 there isn't even an animation when you drink a potion, it just instantly goes off - and we know from the previous games (and even the books) that witchers do drink potions on the fly with some frequency.

This is older, mature Ciri. A little thought should have been given to this, a nod to viewers to indicate that she is not a self-righteous person who sees world in black and white.
That seems to be a wrong assumption on your part.

You're assuming she doesn't have a strong sense of morality, but from the trailer, that's not true. She's not Geralt, who is a very shades-of-grey kind of guy (if extremely haughty/condescending and judgemental). She never has been - one of their points of contention has always been that she has a far more developed sense of morality than him, and has full human emotions, rather than the tamped-down ones Geralt has. The trailer indicates that this has not changed.

Ciri isn't Geralt. Time isn't going to make her into him - though I expect she will face some "Omg am I turning into Geralt?!" moments over the next three games.

Given that most of the old Witcher lore died with Vesemir, I would expect that witchers were reinvented by Yennefer and Geralt. With fewer orphans dying, and more consideration given to the world at large. I fully expect that new witchers are different, have different rules or role to fulfil.
That's possible but I'd be surprised if Geralt/Yennefer were involved because of the Lynx school issue.

The Lynx school has quite a lot of history - it's Keira Metz's witcher school, not Yennefer's, and I don't think either of those two would accept the other's work!


As for "the new witchers are different", well, everything in the trailer says they're pretty similar. Indeed, it contains multiple callbacks to previous witcher trailers, so I'm not sure they'll be hugely different.
 
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