Spoilers Wicked Thoughts and Reviews

Well, it looks like Wicked is doing pretty well at the box office. I caught it on Sunday. Here's my $0.02.

Spoilers ahead, I guess. I mean, the trailers basically told the whole story, the play is 20 years old, the book is 30, and the franchise is over a century. But this thread allows full spoilers for both this movie and the next one.

The Good:

Sets and costumes - Probably the best part of the show, these really did a great job of setting the tone of the movie.

Ariana Grande - I was quite surprised at how much I enjoyed her version of G(a)linda.

Homages - There were a couple of nice references/easter egss that I thought were subtle and clever. For example, the way the end credits were shown screen-by-screen instead of rolling, the same as the original movie. And the cameo duet was fun (well, and less subtle).

The Average:

Special effects - I'm going to be too harsh here; I have high expectations of special effects for anything Oz. The effects weren't amazing, groundbreaking, or breathtaking for me. There were a few bits of CGI that just didn't look that good (some of the animal stuff and the balloon come to mind). But overall the effects were visually cohesive and consistent. I could nitpick all day if I wanted, but stuff like the magic train and mechanical wizard did a good job of selling the story, and that's what's most important. Maybe it's fair to say "above average for the parts that mattered, cut a few corners here and there".

Cynthia Erivo - She did an acceptable job, but not great. Better than Mila Kunis, but she's just not in the same league as Margaret Hamilton or Idina Menzel.

The WTF?:

Lighting - Some really odd choices in a few scenes. Dark faces, weird background/foreground mix. I just didn't get it. Kinda felt like an abuse of high dynamic range. Maybe I'll understand it more after a home viewing or when Part 2 comes out.

Audio mixing - Surprisingly bad. Not so bad you couldn't hear things properly, but extremely disappointing for a high budget musical. I didn't see the movie in IMAX, and I'm wondering if the problem was that they just passed along a half-assed down-mix from the IMAX version for standard theaters. Still, not a good excuse.

Both of the above have me worried about home releases. I'm guessing there's going to be some re-mastering.

The Bad.

Pacing - Oh, man. What the heck happened here? For those that don't know, the movie is literally longer than the entire musical, even though it only covers Act 1. And it really feels like it in a bad way. Everything is dragged out so much; extended intros, long establishing and lingering shots. This would be excusable if they added a lot of material (maybe pulling from the book or adding new scenes), but they don't. Very little of any substance is added. This is most problematic with regards to the magical-animal-decline storyline; by dragging out other parts of the movie so much, this plot point actually feels like it's minimized by receiving comparatively less screen time. And considering it's the moral compass steering the main plot, that doesn't work well.

A special note here to how badly they killed any forward momentum of Defying Gravity. It reminded me of watching the ending of Return of the Kind on the extra-long extended cut DVD, just going on for-e-ver. Sing a line, add a scene. Sing a line, add a scene. Get on with it already!

The one good thing to come of the pacing was the joy of watching the movie in a large theater, and hearing a mixture of "What?", groans, and laughter when the "To Be Continued" screen came up

The "I'm Not Going to Bother Reviewing"

The Music - I'm a fan of the music in Wicked. Here it's slightly movie-ified, just as you would expect. I could spend a while talking about what changes I think were good or bad. But the bottom line is that if you liked the broadway play or musicals in general, you'll enjoy this. And if you don't like that kinda stuff, this won't be the movie that changes your mind.

The Oz-ness - It's a magitech/steampunk take on Oz. Of the dozen-odd re-imaginings of Oz that we've gotten from so many places, this is definitely one of them. I'm at the point where I've seen so many takes on Oz I'm in danger of burning out. But there's nothing wrong with this version.

That's all I can think of for now. If I can think of anything else I'll add it. What did you think?
 

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I saw it Saturday. I disagree with most of your points. I thought Cynthia Erivo did a fantastic job—the audience in my theater broke out in applause after a couple of her songs—I think Ariana Grande did a great job as well, but I don’t think there’s a question of the stronger performance.

I didn’t mind the pacing a bit (but preference vary), and I don’t know what was going on in your theater, but if there were any groans at my showing, they were drowned out by the cheers (granted, it was a mostly full early afternoon showing, so maybe it was a timing thing).

I didn’t noticed any issues in the sound quality—perhaps that was a local issue. I expect we’ll see it again this weekend (my wife wanted to turn around and get another ticket, but they were sold out) so I’ll try to see if I notice it.
 

It made me laugh so much to see a black actress playing a greenskin after WotC faux pas of comparing orcs to black people in an attempt to make themselves look anti-racist, and the community turned on them for it, because nobody had ever compared orcs with black people until they did.
 

It made me laugh so much to see a black actress playing a greenskin after WotC faux pas of comparing orcs to black people in an attempt to make themselves look anti-racist, and the community turned on them for it, because nobody had ever compared orcs with black people until they did.
No, lots of people noted the cultural implications of the way orcs and other fantasy creatures have been depicted, and long before WotC or even TSR ever existed. There's a substantial body of literature on it; you should look it up instead of trying to turn this thread into a discussion about WotC and politics.

Anyway, I've read Wicked and thought it was fun, and I don't mind a good musical, but this review is not selling me on the film. Sounds like maybe one to catch on streaming. I do look forward to seeing the steampunk take on Oz, especially given that I think Oz is in the DNA of steampunk to begin with. On the other hand, the overall RT core is pretty high, so maybe I'll take the spouse - it's right up their alley!
 

It made me laugh so much to see a black actress playing a greenskin after WotC faux pas of comparing orcs to black people in an attempt to make themselves look anti-racist, and the community turned on them for it, because nobody had ever compared orcs with black people until they did.
Mod Note:

You’re new here, so you’re getting a pass on not knowing that ENWorld has seen many threads discussing the links between early depictions of orcs and racist stereotypes. Many receipts were shown, some going back decades.

Summarized: while WotC may have been the first gaming corporation to address racist images and language, they weren’t the first to notice it and call it out. It was real; it happened; people discussed it.

Now that you’ve been made aware, if you wish to continue enjoying posting here, it would behoove you to avoid posting misinformation on this topic.
 

I enjoyed it. My girlfriend enjoyed it a lot, which is what really mattered. She's been hyped for this for a very long time now. I've never seen the musical or read the book (Though when I was in high school, our 10th grade marching band show was Wicked, so I knew a lot of a music going into it.)

I agree with a few of the points in the OC. The pacing was sluggish. 2hr40m could have been easily half an hour less.. Especially considering there's going to be another one. Some of the effects were less than stellar as well.

One thing I'll disagree on is your ranking of the leads.. I definitely think Erivo was the stronger of the two. I think Grande did a great job, but I'd stick her in second place. Overall I think the casting was great. Even Jeff Goldblum, who I'm kind of getting tired of since lately all he seems to do is show up and be "Jeff Goldblum" was decent as Oz.
 

Ariana Grande - I was quite surprised at how much I enjoyed her version of G(a)linda.

Wicked isn't my cup of tea, so I probably won't see the film (not a knock on it, I just never had much interest in wicked: I thought the thread was a general review thread about games, which is why I popped in lol). I saw this though and have to say I think she is an incredibly talented performer. I've always liked her singing but I caught her on SNL recently and was surprised how good of a comedic actress she was
 

I enjoyed it. My girlfriend enjoyed it a lot, which is what really mattered. She's been hyped for this for a very long time now. I've never seen the musical or read the book (Though when I was in high school, our 10th grade marching band show was Wicked, so I knew a lot of a music going into it.)

I agree with a few of the points in the OC. The pacing was sluggish. 2hr40m could have been easily half an hour less.. Especially considering there's going to be another one. Some of the effects were less than stellar as well.

One thing I'll disagree on is your ranking of the leads.. I definitely think Erivo was the stronger of the two. I think Grande did a great job, but I'd stick her in second place. Overall I think the casting was great. Even Jeff Goldblum, who I'm kind of getting tired of since lately all he seems to do is show up and be "Jeff Goldblum" was decent as Oz.
Two more, apparently!

Otherwise agreed on all counts. Erivo was outstanding. Grande was very good, and funnier than I expected.

Spoiler:
I totally recognized Goldblum's voice from the beginning of the movie and was expecting him.
 

I heard that it was decent, and I'd be willing to go see it.

You know, the funny thing is that it's a prequel, yet based on the original story, there can't be a prequel, because it was all in Dorothy's imagination after getting bumped in the head.
:)
 

I heard that it was decent, and I'd be willing to go see it.

You know, the funny thing is that it's a prequel, yet based on the original story, there can't be a prequel, because it was all in Dorothy's imagination after getting bumped in the head.
:)
That's not the original story, that's the original movie, which deviates substantially from The Wonderful Wizard of Oz. In the novels, Oz is most definitely not in Dorothy's imagination. There's a whole series of books.
 

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