Weapon of Returning?

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Isn't there a "Returning" or "Recall" ability for thrown weapons in some book somewhere? Or was this a 3.0 thing that got dropped in the move to 3.5?

A friend is looking for a way to have his war hammer come back and is trying to figure out what it should cost...

 

[Crothian]

It's in the DMG, +1 market price

 

[DiFier]

but it is only listed for ranged weapons. so if you wanted a returning longsword you'd have to make it a throwing and then returning longsword.

 

[Hypersmurf]

but it is only listed for ranged weapons. so if you wanted a returning longsword you'd have to make it a throwing and then returning longsword.

"Weapons come in two basic categories: melee and ranged. Some of the weapons listed as melee weapons can also be used as ranged weapons."

"It is possible to throw a weapon that isn’t designed to be thrown (that is, a melee weapon that doesn’t have a numeric entry in the Range Increment column on Table: Weapons), but a character who does so takes a –4 penalty on the attack roll. Such a weapon has a range increment of 10 feet."

"Returning: This special ability can only be placed on a weapon that can be thrown."

A longsword is a weapon-that-can-be-thrown, and thus it is a melee weapon that can also be used as a ranged weapon.

Since it can be a ranged weapon, it can arguably qualify for Ranged weapon special abilities; and since it is a weapon that can be thrown, it can be a Returning weapon.

Well, arguably.

-Hyp.

 

[Crothian]

Anyone else think Hypersmurf is just damn scarey at time?

That's some good reasoning, sctually.

 

[Hypersmurf]

That's some good reasoning, actually.

The bit about a weapon with an improvised range increment qualifying for ranged weapon abilities is the shaky bit.

I don't think there's anything wrong with calling a longsword a weapon that can be thrown, but calling it a Ranged weapon is... dodgy

-Hyp.

 

[Artoomis]

Whiel hyp's technically correct, I would never allow that. EVERY weapon can be thrown, so to give the phrase "a weapon that can be thrown' some meaning other than "every weapon," I'd make it a weapon with a range entry.

 

[Hypersmurf]

EVERY weapon can be thrown, so to give the phrase "a weapon that can be thrown' some meaning other than "every weapon," I'd make it a weapon with a range entry.

Nuh-uh! You can't throw a bow, sling, or crossbow, and they have a range increment. They're not valid for the Returning ability.

You can only throw thrown weapons, or melee weapons that don't have a range increment. Projectile weapons aren't either of those.

I expect I'd require Throwing on a +1 longsword before I'd allow Returning... but that would be because a +1 longsword isn't a Ranged weapon, not because a +1 longsword is not a weapon-that-can-be-thrown... because it strictly is a weapon-that-can-be-thrown.

-Hyp.

 

[Artoomis]

...I expect I'd require Throwing on a +1 longsword before I'd allow Returning... but that would be because a +1 longsword isn't a Ranged weapon, not because a +1 longsword is not a weapon-that-can-be-thrown... because it strictly is a weapon-that-can-be-thrown.

-Hyp.

We agree. Perhaps not on the reasoning, exactly, but on the end result.

 

[Crothian]

Whiel hyp's technically correct, I would never allow that. EVERY weapon can be thrown, so to give the phrase "a weapon that can be thrown' some meaning other than "every weapon," I'd make it a weapon with a range entry.

Whjy not? It's not particuliarly cheap and it's not like throwing that longsword comes up on a weekly basis.