Warlock's Devil's Sight questions
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StormbringerAUS
Explorer
Yes to both questions
ClaytonCross
Kinder reader Inflection wanted
You do not need for dark-vision in fact because you see normally, unlike darkvision you can see in color and your immune to the Ranger subclass Gloom Stalker ability Umber Sight since your not relying on darkvision to see in the dark.
In regards to "you still need sight" it does not give you X-ray vision so a blindfold will block your sight for sure. As far as being magically blinded it does not make you immune to magic that causes a blinding effect... however, if you were naturally blind or even missing your eyes it could theoretically allow you to see normally since that is the text. I would caution that you need to run that by your GM though. I personally would allow it as part of the deal to your warlock patron and due to the text of the ability "you see normally" contrasting to blind not being normal state of site but due to an illness or other infliction such as your eyes getting remove from your head. I would clarify it just returns you to normal which makes exactly the same as everyone else with the same issues and requirements just that you can all so basically at bright day time levels up to 120ft because that all the spell does. You don't get xray vision to see through blindfolds and as you can see you are subject to any and all magic that might blind since nothing says you are not. I would also allow it because it makes a pretty awesome reason for someone to make a pact to a patron and its just a good story hook.
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Bardbarian
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You still need darkvision for dim light situations. Devil sight only offers benefits in Darkness and has no effect in dim light.
As Bardbarian said the feature only grants benefits in darkness and magical darkness. The feature does not negate the dim light which cause a perception check at disadvantage. It grants no benefit to seeing in heavily obscured conditions such as fog. It grants no benefit to seeing a character that can hide when lightly obscured (i.e. a wood elf feature or skulker feat). It grants no benefit to seeing through a zone such as Hunger of Hadar.
Satyrn
First Post
I would never have ruled it that way - and still won't - but I can totally get behind a DM who does.
And so unfortunately it looks like the answer to the OP's question about darkvision is "well, whatever the DM decides."
jaelis
Oh this is where the title goes?
I'd be inclined to read it as "you see in darkness as you normally see in light," so it wouldn't help if you couldn't see in light at all.
Otherwise I would find it too weird that you could see when it was dark, but not when it was light.
Yes, if a player wanted to say that they were naturally blind but were able to see normally as a gift from their patron, that would be cool but I wouldn't make them use an invocation for it.
For the record, I would allow devil's sight to penetrate dimness as well.
ClaytonCross
Kinder reader Inflection wanted
I see what your saying and I am 50/50 on it but it does bring up a good point that it also does not remove sunlight sensitivity disadvantage from being too bright. Though unless your playing one of the 2 sub races that have it is pretty rare for this to come up.
Sorry but I think if you can see in darkness as you would normally see in light, it doesn't make sense for dim light to have any effect on you.
I do agree about probably needed sight in general to be able to see in darkness, and also agree about not being able to see through thick fog or similar.
I do agree about probably needed sight in general to be able to see in darkness, and also agree about not being able to see through thick fog or similar.
Sorcerers Apprentice
Hero
It doesn't make sense, sure. But this is Devil's Sight, and the Devil isn't known for making sense either.
