Tieflings: banished?

[Egres]

Hi.

I was looking throughout the PGtF, and i've found that all the rules concerning the Planetoucheds aren't changed from the 3.0.

But, in the FRCS, Aasimars and Tieflings, as well as other planetoucheds, were eligible targets fro the Banishment spells.

Now, in 3.5, they are Native Outsiders, and while on the Material Plane, they don't have the Extraplanar subtype.

Do you think, then, that the Banishemnt spell could work against them, if cast on the Material Plane?

I know that this question could sound stupid, but i really need to be sure about this matter.

Thank you in advance.

 

[Alzrius]

From the SRD (emphasis mine):

A banishment spell is a more powerful version of the dismissal spell. It enables you to force extraplanar creatures out of your home plane. As many as 2 Hit Dice of creatures per caster level can be banished.

Since it only works on creatures with the Extraplanar subtype, and tieflings don't have that on the Material Plane, then no, it wouldn't work on them there.

Another changeover from 3E to 3.5E.

 

[Egres]

From the SRD (emphasis mine):



Since it only works on creatures with the Extraplanar subtype, and tieflings don't have that on the Material Plane, then no, it wouldn't work on them there.

Another changeover from 3E to 3.5E.

That's what i thought.

But it seems that the FRCS statement, unchanged in 3.5 due to the PGtF silence on the matter, would work in the opposite way.

 

[Alzrius]

I'm going to guess the reason the PGtF doesn't explicitly state that you cna't use banishment on planetouched is because it's supposed to be self-evident that under the new rules, you can't use it. Why restate what's already laid out clearly?

In the FRCS, native outsiders were brand new to that book, and didn't have any subtypes or other rules supporting them beyond what was written there. Now that they've been properly clarified, and are in the MM, it seems like nothing else specific need be said in other books about their mechanics.

 

[Liquidsabre]

That's what i thought.

But it seems that the FRCS statement, unchanged in 3.5 due to the PGtF silence on the matter, would work in the opposite way.

I'd try looking at any FR eratta and FAQ stuff to see if anything is there concerning the problem.

edit- Alzrius, looking at the 3.0 PHB, the banishment spell has not changed wording and always stated 'extraplanar' creatures. So it was the FRCS that introduced the exception that Native Outsiders were succeptible to banishment.

 

[Egres]

Bump.

 

[Henrix]

Bump.

Why, your question has been answered.

Banishment, and Dismissal, affects extraplanar creatures.

Extraplanar is a subtype you acquire when on a plan which is not your native plane.
Tieflings, et al., are considered to be native to Faerûn, i.e. not extraplanar.

A faerûnian tiefling on the astral plane could be banished, as could a human.

 

[Squire James]

"Extraplanar" did not become a sub-type until 3.5e. So even though the Banishment spell description remained word-for-word the same, its meaning changed because the meaning of the word "extraplanar" changed.

 

[Egres]

Hmm, ok.

It seems that there's general agreement on this point.

Thank you!

 

[Pyrex]

A faerûnian tiefling on the astral plane could be banished, as could a human.

Not true. Creatures on transitive planes (Ethereal, Astral or Shadow) do not gain the Extraplanar subtype.