The spell Shatter used to sunder an object

Kershek

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How much damage does the Shatter spell do against a single solid nonmagical object? If you target an opponent's weapon, since it is an attended object, does the opponent get a will save to negate or a fortitude save for half damage?

Here is the Shatter spell:

Shatter

Evocation [Sonic]
Level: Brd 2, Chaos 2, Clr 2, Destruction 2, Sor/Wiz 2
Components: V, S, M/DF
Casting Time: 1 action
Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Area or Target: 3-ft.-radius spread; or one solid object or one crystalline creature
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: Will negates (object); Will negates (object) or Fortitude half (see text)
Spell Resistance: Yes (object)

Shatter creates a loud, ringing noise that shatters brittle, nonmagical objects; sunders a single solid, nonmagical object; or damages a crystalline creature.

Used as an area attack, shatter destroys nonmagical objects of crystal, glass, ceramic, or porcelain, such as vials, bottles, flasks, jugs, windows, mirrors, and so forth. All such objects within a 3-foot radius of the point of origin are smashed into dozens of pieces by the spell. Objects weighing more than 1 pound per the character's level are not affected, but all other objects of the appropriate composition are shattered.

Alternatively, the character can target shatter against a single solid object, regardless of composition, weighing up to 10 pounds per caster level.

Targeted against a crystalline creature (of any weight), shatter deals 1d6 points of damage per caster level (maximum 10d6), with a Fortitude save for half damage.
 

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Kershek said:
How much damage does the Shatter spell do against a single solid nonmagical object?
Enough to "sunder" it. If the object fits within the spell's weight limit, it is destroyed.

If you target an opponent's weapon, since it is an attended object, does the opponent get a will save to negate or a fortitude save for half damage?
Will negates.
The Fortitude save is used when you target a crystalline creature. Both other uses use the Will save.
 

What Auraseer said. As long as the user of the attended object blows his Will save, or if the object is unattended, it is destroyed. As long as it is nonmagical and fits within the weight limit, that is. This spell is great for strategic use.
 
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If you use a targetted dispel magic on a magic weapon to suppress the magic from a weapon, can you then use shatter to sunder it?
 

Kershek said:
If you use a targetted dispel magic on a magic weapon to suppress the magic from a weapon, can you then use shatter to sunder it?

I'd say by the book, you probably could. I always play it that magical items are still innately magical when they are dispelled (in terms of sunder and the like) but that's house rule.
 

Stalker0 said:


I'd say by the book, you probably could. I always play it that magical items are still innately magical when they are dispelled (in terms of sunder and the like) but that's house rule.

I'm thinking that such a combo is too powerful, since it could conceivably destroy a +5 vorpal weapon, albeit with a failed caster check and will save.

Does this sound right for caster levels on weapons?

+1 weapon: 5th level
+2 weapon: 6th level
+3 weapon: 9th level
+4 weapon: 12th level
+5 weapon: 15th level
 

The only thing to remember is the keyword "brittle." By definition, most metal weapons are not brittle. Metal is a ductile solid, which is the opposite of brittle. Wooden items can be brittle, but not often. A brittle wooden weapon would shatter on impact, making it quite useless. The same goes for shields.

Combining shatter with cone of cold might do the trick but it's a GM's call. Shatter typically will only work on stone and glass.
 

kigmatzomat said:
The only thing to remember is the keyword "brittle." By definition, most metal weapons are not brittle. Metal is a ductile solid, which is the opposite of brittle. Wooden items can be brittle, but not often. A brittle wooden weapon would shatter on impact, making it quite useless. The same goes for shields.

Combining shatter with cone of cold might do the trick but it's a GM's call. Shatter typically will only work on stone and glass.

There are three uses of Shatter - destroying many brittle objects, destroying one object under a weight limit, or doing damage to a crystalline creature. I don't see anything that says the second option needs to be a brittle object at all.
 

kigmatzomat said:
The only thing to remember is the keyword "brittle." By definition, most metal weapons are not brittle. Metal is a ductile solid, which is the opposite of brittle. Wooden items can be brittle, but not often. A brittle wooden weapon would shatter on impact, making it quite useless. The same goes for shields.

Combining shatter with cone of cold might do the trick but it's a GM's call. Shatter typically will only work on stone and glass.

Shatter creates a loud, ringing noise that shatters brittle, nonmagical objects; sunders a single solid, nonmagical object; or damages a crystalline creature.

It seems to me that it can shatter multiple brittle objects, or one single non-brittle object.
 

If you use a targetted dispel magic on a magic weapon to suppress the magic from a weapon, can you then use shatter to sunder it?

You answered your own question. The item is supressed. It is not non-magical. It's functions are supressed, just as an active spell is supressed in an anti-magic sphere.

So it's still magical. So you can't use shatter.
 

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