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<blockquote data-quote="Lupin" data-source="post: 9250272" data-attributes="member: 7042758"><p>My working copy of D&D 5th Edition is, in fact, a printed-out copy of the latest revision of the Basic Rules (see attachment). I'd agree that its 1981-esque character creation lineup (Human/Elf/Dwarf/Halfling & Fighter/Cleric/Rogue/Wizard) with abbreviated spell & monster lists indeed has an OSR vibe. (Although the page count is 48 pages longer than both of the '81 rulebooks combined.)</p><p></p><p>I've since moved my house game over to even simpler pastures with Lightning 5e by [USER=54840]@SlyFlourish[/USER] with a handful of house rules, and it too uses the same classic set of four classes (though I've dabbled with expanding them). It's not especially OSR-like, other than leaning harder on "rulings not rules" than D&D 5e proper, but it makes the basic 5e infrastructure even more "basic." for which I love it. The simplicity of the game helps me keep nearly all the rules in my head at once. When I'm the one running the game, I find that very helpful. </p><p></p><p>Anyway, Nellisir, your points all stand. Catering to fans of vintage D&D is not really in their business model except where it requires next to no effort on their part (DTRPG PDFs/POD), and that initiative, IIRC, was started mainly to fill an income drought. Onboarding 5e players and getting them to buy new content is priority one for them at all times. Which, you know, that's business, right?</p><p></p><p>But I think it's completely disingenuous of them to make promises or near-promises that something will be delivered, and delivered in a very timely fashion no less (based on Kyle Brink's interviews), and should take <em>minimal effort</em> to deliver, and then fail to deliver it after close to a year. </p><p></p><p>If nothing else, this is their plan to give themselves plausible deniability about getting a built-from-scratch SRD for, say, 4th Edition. "Well, it took us <em>over a year</em> to go over the 3rd Edition stuff, so SRDs of 4th Edition, '81/'83/Rules Cyclopedia, OD&D and AD&D are completely off the table."</p><p></p><p>It <em>also</em> wouldn't surprise me if the series of events went something like this: </p><p>Some WotC/Hasbro boss orders the OGL 1.1 initiative. Negative PR abounds, so WotC creates OGL 1.2 and a limited-CC-BY version of the 5.1 SRD to try to appease people while still withholding IP bits. Internal staff suggests they put up a poll about the whole thing. Poll results come in, and the same boss who ordered the OGL update, annoyed their plan was hitting so many roadblocks (and possibly getting on Paramount's nerves) decides in a huff to just "put the whole stupid thing in CC-BY and be done with it." Staffers zip through and do it (they weren't gonna second-guess the boss, and had likely been CC-BY advocates). </p><p>Soon, articles trickle out about how brief mentions of Strahd, beholders, and mind flayers were left in the CC-BY'd SRD. </p><p>That boss comes around to ask that staffer "why didn't you take those out?!" </p><p>"You told us to put the 'whole stupid thing' in CC-BY, so we did."</p><p>"I got Chris Cocks breathing down my neck because of you. NEXT time, make sure you go over everything with <em>a fine-toothed comb</em> before you give away Hasbro IP like it's candy."</p><p>"....Yes, boss."</p><p></p><p>(Obviously that's just my imagining of how things might've happened behind the scenes. As has been said already, we're well past the time it would reasonably take to finish combing through the 3.5 SRD, so I feel like there's more to it than just a lack of time or hands.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Friend!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lupin, post: 9250272, member: 7042758"] My working copy of D&D 5th Edition is, in fact, a printed-out copy of the latest revision of the Basic Rules (see attachment). I'd agree that its 1981-esque character creation lineup (Human/Elf/Dwarf/Halfling & Fighter/Cleric/Rogue/Wizard) with abbreviated spell & monster lists indeed has an OSR vibe. (Although the page count is 48 pages longer than both of the '81 rulebooks combined.) I've since moved my house game over to even simpler pastures with Lightning 5e by [USER=54840]@SlyFlourish[/USER] with a handful of house rules, and it too uses the same classic set of four classes (though I've dabbled with expanding them). It's not especially OSR-like, other than leaning harder on "rulings not rules" than D&D 5e proper, but it makes the basic 5e infrastructure even more "basic." for which I love it. The simplicity of the game helps me keep nearly all the rules in my head at once. When I'm the one running the game, I find that very helpful. Anyway, Nellisir, your points all stand. Catering to fans of vintage D&D is not really in their business model except where it requires next to no effort on their part (DTRPG PDFs/POD), and that initiative, IIRC, was started mainly to fill an income drought. Onboarding 5e players and getting them to buy new content is priority one for them at all times. Which, you know, that's business, right? But I think it's completely disingenuous of them to make promises or near-promises that something will be delivered, and delivered in a very timely fashion no less (based on Kyle Brink's interviews), and should take [i]minimal effort[/i] to deliver, and then fail to deliver it after close to a year. If nothing else, this is their plan to give themselves plausible deniability about getting a built-from-scratch SRD for, say, 4th Edition. "Well, it took us [i]over a year[/i] to go over the 3rd Edition stuff, so SRDs of 4th Edition, '81/'83/Rules Cyclopedia, OD&D and AD&D are completely off the table." It [i]also[/i] wouldn't surprise me if the series of events went something like this: Some WotC/Hasbro boss orders the OGL 1.1 initiative. Negative PR abounds, so WotC creates OGL 1.2 and a limited-CC-BY version of the 5.1 SRD to try to appease people while still withholding IP bits. Internal staff suggests they put up a poll about the whole thing. Poll results come in, and the same boss who ordered the OGL update, annoyed their plan was hitting so many roadblocks (and possibly getting on Paramount's nerves) decides in a huff to just "put the whole stupid thing in CC-BY and be done with it." Staffers zip through and do it (they weren't gonna second-guess the boss, and had likely been CC-BY advocates). Soon, articles trickle out about how brief mentions of Strahd, beholders, and mind flayers were left in the CC-BY'd SRD. That boss comes around to ask that staffer "why didn't you take those out?!" "You told us to put the 'whole stupid thing' in CC-BY, so we did." "I got Chris Cocks breathing down my neck because of you. NEXT time, make sure you go over everything with [i]a fine-toothed comb[/i] before you give away Hasbro IP like it's candy." "....Yes, boss." (Obviously that's just my imagining of how things might've happened behind the scenes. As has been said already, we're well past the time it would reasonably take to finish combing through the 3.5 SRD, so I feel like there's more to it than just a lack of time or hands.) Friend! [/QUOTE]
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