The Kalevala, Finnish gods and stuff

[Zapak Vim]

Hi everyone,
Does anyone else use variations of the old Finnish pantheon from L&L (1st edition) in their game? And have they made up 3.5 edition stats for the gods and their religions??

I've been reading the Kalevala (there are a few english translations on the net, and I have a print copy as well) and I want to update my campaign stuff to 3.5 edition stats but it seems the L&L stuff was a bit inaccurate (ie Loviatar and Kiputytto are seperate beings in L7L, but in the Kalevala theyt seem to be the same deity. The L&L version of Loviatar has gone on to feature in the Forgotten Realms stuff
Has anyone already done some work on this? If so, Id be keen to help throw some ideas around

Zapak Vim
New Zealand, about as far from Finland as it is possible to get...

 

[qstor]

The domains might be in an old issue of Dragon that came out around the time of Demigods and Dieties 3.0. There was some other pantheons in the issue. Mine is at home so I can't check.

Mike

 

[BOZ]

that would be interesting. and you could always modify the FR version of Loviatar, just to make that a little easier on you...

 

[TerraDave]

We've got info here (scroll down to Finish) and here.

Our cleric types (which can be ignored) are explained here

Haven't done much with it in play, but are starting a PbP campaign close to "Finmark", so it might see some use

 

[BOZ]

finmark, hehee

 

[Zapak Vim]

Thanks everyone, and Mike if you could look up that old dragon mag that would be great.
I have written a whole bunch of stuff which I will post here another day to give you all an idea of where I am heading with this. IMC the main religion is based on what might have happened if pagan finns had developed into the medieval catholic church. Sounds weird but it works!

From reading the kalevala and doing some research, there are some bits in L&L that are wrong or not as interesting as the real kalevala myths

Tapio, the forest god, is not in L&L at all. I have him as Neutral, and the big guy in charge of all the druids.

Ahto, the water god. Im thinking of making him Neutral, not NG.

Hiisi, my favourite CE god. he seems to be more of a forest god that is indicated in L&L, which makes him a bit more interesting

Surma who appears in L&L as an evil demigod, was actually a large monster who guarded the gates of the underworld. There was an evil demigoddess called Kalma who was associated with him. her name means "corpse odour" (how cool is that?). much more interesting than L&L version.

There were also a whole lot of sea gods and goddesses but until I learn finnish (ha!) I cant seem to find out much about them, apart from the fact that the Finnish navy named most of their WW2 submarines after them..

If anyone is keen on the longer untidier version of my notes, let me know, especially if you are using Finnish stuff in your campaign

until then, Kiitos, hyvaa yota!
Zapak Vim

 

[TerraDave]

Tapio, the forest god, is not in L&L at all. I have him as Neutral, and the big guy in charge of all the druids.

If anyone is keen on the longer untidier version of my notes, let me know, especially if you are using Finnish stuff in your campaign

until then, Kiitos, hyvaa yota!
Zapak Vim

We have him! at least for our cleric info (our little descriptive write ups, done a long time ago, do seem to be derived from an earlier TSR work...). I would be interested in seeing the longer notes, either here, or you can send them to admin@terra-viejo.net.

As for "Finmark", I don't think we made that up, it may have been a name for the region

 

[jonesy]

You might want to check out this:
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=351782
for more on the gods and other stuff (like spelling the names correctly for once).

edited for correct link

 

[Random Goblin]

Finnish Deities

I started to make a Finnish and Lapp pantheon (pantheons) for d20, but I never really finished (hee hee) the project. All I have are some notes.

Finnish Gods

Ahto/Ahti: M water god, jealous of sky-gods, not enough worship from humans, employs sprites, conjures whirlpools, married to Vellamo

Ajatar: F evil spiritess, dragon, mother of devil, spreads disease, suckles snakes

Akka (Maan-eno, Maa-emoinen, Rauni, Ravdna, Roonikka): F mother goddess (earth magic), feminne fertility, strength, sexuality, goddess of harvest, consort of Ukko,

Antero-Vipunen: M earth giant sleeps below the topsoil

Ilma (Ether): M air god, father of Ilmatar

Ilmarinen: M Divine smith, eternal hammerer, brother of vainamoinen, made the sampo.

Ilmatar (Luonnotar): F goddess of air, creator of world (with eggs), had a child, vainamoinen, with the East Wind

Hiisi (Hisi): evil demon, henchman of Lempo. Made Vainamoinen’s axe wobble and made him bleed profusely.

Jumala (Jubmel): M God. Supreme sky god, shapeless and abstract as the sky. Abstract. Could be applied to other deities, eventually became the Christian god.

Lempo (Juntas, Jutas, Pääpiro): M evil devil lord, with Hiisi and Paha, commands demons of forests and other evil spirits, and a fierce herd of mooses, also god of love, but also misfortune and wickedness and disease.

Kalma: F smelly goddess of death and decay, stink

Lemminkainen (Kauko, Kauko-Mieli, Lemminkâinen): M trickster god, full of conjuring and conjugality, cut to pieces and glued together

Kipu-Tytto (Kipu-Tyttö, Kiputyttö): F goddess of death, sister of kivutar, vammatar, and loviatar, lives in Tuonels. Pain Girl. Goddess of Illness. Kids named Gout, Ulcers, and scabies.

Kivutar: F goddess of pain and suffering, sis of Kipu-Tytto

Kuu (Kun): M Moon god and/or personification of moon. Not god at all?

Kyllikki: F Lemminkainen’s wife. Loved to party.

Louhi: F wicked enchantress, queen of Pohjola, super-powerful, transform into griffon, shut sun and moon in cave, send cold as an entity to icebind boats.

Loviatar: goddess of plagues, sister of Kipu-Tytto.

Tuonela (Manala): Finnish underworld

Marjatta: the virgin mary, her son superceded vainamoinen

Mielikki: F Mistress of the forest, a tree, the All-Pleasing Woman, wife of Tapio, mother of nyyrikki and tuulikki

Nyyrikki: M god of hunting and/or cattle

Otava: the great bear (the constellation)

Ovda: M/F Evil deep forest god, appears naked (maybe use as monster, not god?)

Paha: M evil god. Gave Vainamoinen the shakes so he cut himself.

Paivatar (Päivä, Päivyt, Paiva, Paivyt): M God of the sun and/or personification.

Pekko (Peko, Pellon-Pekko, Pellonpekko, Pellervo): M god of fields and crops, likes alcohol

Sampsa (Pellervo, Pellervoinen): M god of seeds and sowing, plants the seeds and them Pekko takes care of them.

Sampo: artifact

Suonetar: F goddess of veins and blood vessels

Tapio: M forest god, made of trees, knowledge

Tellervo: milkmaid of the forest

Tuonetar: F queen of underworld

Tuoni: M god of underworld

Tuulikki: F goddess of the woods

Ukko (Ylijumala, Ukko-ylijumala): M big dog sky god, storms and lightning, aloof

Ulgan: a sky god

Vainamoinen (Vaino, Väinämöinen, wainamoinen): M folk hero god, kind of a bard

Vammatar: F goddess of suffering, sister of Kypu-Tytto

Ved-Ava: Finnish water-mother

Vellamo: F water goddess, married to Ahti.

 

[Random Goblin]

Lapp Gods

And here are my Lapp gods:

LAPP

Erlik: M weird mud guy slave to help with creation

Joukahainen: M Lapp lad who challenged vainamoinen to a singing contest, but lost

Aino: dude’s sister

Kied-Kie-Jubmel: M god of reindeer herds

Leib-olmai: M good luck god, lives in Alder trees, gives luck against bears, appears as bear sometimes

Madderakka (Madder-akka, Maderakka): F mother goddess of childbirth, responsible for baby welfare, from the womb on, three daughters sarakka, juksakka, and uksakka, married to madderatcha

Madderatcha (Madder-Atcha): M god of small souls- puts fresh souls into babies.

Juksakka (Juks-akka): F goddess of midwifery and birth, assistant of Madderakka, alters babies after they start female if needed.

Sarakka (Sar-akka): assistant goddess of midwifery, offers comfort and support

Seide: rock-boogers

Thermes: weird Lapland Thor

Uksakka (Uks-akka): F assistant goddess of midwifery, looks after newborn

Yambe-akka: 'The Old Woman of the Dead'. She is the housekeeper for departed souls.