Telekinesis spell

Falconnan

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An interesting situation occured with the telekinesis spell, and I was seeking a little advice.
A player used the telekinesis spell to prevent an opponent from escaping. Said opponent had used gaseous form to escape into a porous cave wall. The PC had darkvision, and a greater arcane sight spell in effect. He immediately went to the wall (prior to gaseous creature's next action) and declared he was going to look into the larger cracks in the wall, trying to find his enemy. After a DC 20 search check, I ruled he could see his enemy. He then declared he was using telekinesis to pull his opponent out (opponent failed his Will save). I could not quite find a way to stop the character, though I could not decide if this was the right thing to do.
1. The spell states that it must affect an object. A gaseous creature is a coherent mass, but not quite an object. I allowed it with a DC 35 Spellcraft check.
2. Mass of creature when solid would likely be too high for the character to move based on spell weight limit (ogre mage, w/insectile template).

I allowed it due to the creativity of the character, who planned on capturing an opponent alive. There are other points to the story, but I was wondering, was this an arguably justifiable use of the spell?
 

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I would say no due to the fact that it is a gaseous form, not a solid object. There is nothing to substantial to grab onto. It is definitely not an object although it does have some cohesiveness, but not enough to allow any type of grab attempt. Would you let somenoe grapple with another creature that was in a gaseous state? I wouldn't IMC.
 

Otterscrubber said:
I would say no due to the fact that it is a gaseous form, not a solid object. There is nothing to substantial to grab onto. It is definitely not an object although it does have some cohesiveness, but not enough to allow any type of grab attempt. Would you let somenoe grapple with another creature that was in a gaseous state? I wouldn't IMC.

Generally, true. However, what would you do if a small piece of you was being pulled away?
Anyway, while the grapple comparison is valid, I would (until someone gave an official ruling, at any rate) say it was a judgement call. I'm just wondering if it was at all supportable.

Thanks, though.
 

Falconnan said:
Generally, true. However, what would you do if a small piece of you was being pulled away?
Anyway, while the grapple comparison is valid, I would (until someone gave an official ruling, at any rate) say it was a judgement call. I'm just wondering if it was at all supportable.

Thanks, though.

I say it's allowable. Based on a strick interpretation of the spell, no... but based on a more liberal interpretation of actual TK, it'd be easier to maneuver a gaseous person than a non gaseous one. So, really, it depends on if you're a rules despot or a creative storyteller. Under despotism, NO CANDY FOR YOU! Under actual creativity and storytelling, yea, that's great.
 
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Otterscrubber said:
There is nothing to substantial to grab onto.

And yet you can hit someone in Gaseous Form with a +1 Club, Sword, or Rapier, provided you make the 50/50 chance. I don't quite think that argument is completely valid.

If it were me, however, I would have given him the same 50/50 chance as attacking it.
 

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