Righteous Rage of Tempus question

[DarkLord Of DForce]

Hi. I was just wondering, if you have a power or item that resets your divinity channel,
can you use RROT a second time in one encounter?

Do these skills, generally speaking reset all powers in the divinity channel, or just
make available the powers that have not been used yet?

Thanks much!

 

[Shin Okada]

A Divinity feat simply adds another way to use your Channel Divinity. So, if you somehow regain the use of Channel Divinity for that encounter, you can use whatever Channel Divinity power you can use, including those gained from Divinity feats, again.

 

[DarkLord Of DForce]

A Divinity feat simply adds another way to use your Channel Divinity. So, if you somehow regain the use of Channel Divinity for that encounter, you can use whatever Channel Divinity power you can use, including those gained from Divinity feats, again.

Woot! So I could hit an undead with Abjure Undead, use a Symbol of Divinity, then hit them with Abjure undead again? If that's correct, that's awesome!

 

[Drakhar]

And also not quite right. Unless you somehow regain a use of that power, even if you can use another Channel Divinity the power has still been used and is unavailable.

 

[DarkLord Of DForce]

And also not quite right. Unless you somehow regain a use of that power, even if you can use another Channel Divinity the power has still been used and is unavailable.

Ah, ok. Hmm, so where Divine Guidance and Abjure undead are encounter/standard actions, I guess that makes sense.

Going back to Righteous Rage of Tempus though, what about it? I mean, it's listed as a minor and personal - so could you use it twice in one encounter?

Thanks!

 

[Drakhar]

Ah, ok. Hmm, so where Divine Guidance and Abjure undead are encounter/standard actions, I guess that makes sense.

Going back to Righteous Rage of Tempus though, what about it? I mean, it's listed as a minor and personal - so could you use it twice in one encounter?

Thanks!

It's still an encounter power so not unless you gained it back somehow. The actions required and the target/range isn't what's important, it's whether the power is an At-will, encounter or daily that is important.

 

[jabberwocky]

I think you can use the same channel divinity twice; based on this:

CHANNEL DIVINITY
Once per encounter you can invoke divine power, filling yourself with the might of your patron deity. With the divine might you invoke you can wield special powers. You can also learn other uses for this feature; for instance, the divinity feats grant characters with access to the Channel Divinity class feature the ability to use additional special powers.
Regardless of how many different uses for Channel Divinity you know, you can use only one such ability per encounter. The special ability or power you invoke works just like your other powers.


Symbol of divinity.
Power (Daily): Free Action. Use this power when you hit with an attack using this holy symbol. Gain one additional use of Channel Divinity for this encounter.


The symbol of divinity overwrites the 1/encounter rule anyways, and there is nothing in the channel divinity description which references multiple uses of Channel Divinity you have. It only references that you can use it once, and use any channel divinity power you have that once. When you regain channel divinity, I don't see why all of the options are available once again.

 

[Mirtek]

However ther's still the issue that items refreshing CD could simply be completly useless by RAW.

You refresh your ability to use CD in general, but you do not refresh the particular CD ability you used the first time.

Due to the "Regardless of how many different uses for Channel Divinity you know, you can use only one such ability per encounter." clause you could use your refreshed CD only for the very same CD ability you already spend. Since you can not use this spend CD ability, you're stuck with a general allowance to use CD which you can not actually use due to not being able to reuse the single CD ability you're required to use.

Yes, that's certainly a stupid thing and yes, it makes items refreshing CD completly useless. But it wouldn't be the first time that such an error sneaks into 4e RAW.

 

[DarkLord Of DForce]

Well, since there seems to be so many differing opinions on this, I e-mailed WOTC about it.

They said:

"Thank you for contacting us. The Symbol of Divinity power allows you to use
another Channel Divinity power, but it must be one that you have not used this
encounter."


So I guess that settles that, unless a DM houserules over it.