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<blockquote data-quote="xidoraven" data-source="post: 4955194" data-attributes="member: 60187"><p>Okay, this was the primary thing I wanted to raise, and everything else was second after this thought: Megaraptor is actually not in the same genus as Velociraptor, Deinonychus, or Utahraptor at all - it is actually a closer relative to Spinosaurus, a large carnosaur. The claw is on the front appendages because it is not even the same evolutionary framework as the famed hind-leg 'raptor claw'.</p><p></p><p>I believe the Wikipedia article on it raises that point, but I know I read it somewhere when I was considering the basis of the dinopriminal, the Raptorinal (which utilizes the Utahraptor - a true 'raptor' family member, before anthropomorphosis).</p><p></p><p>Think somewhat less large spinosaurid with a huge front claw and a significantly less prominent spinal crest in place of a sail.</p><p></p><p>Okay, so now to business. First off, wow - you came in with a bang. I wasn't expecting a reply so quickly, though I should have.</p><p></p><p>I was going to make a second posting to create an <a href="http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19547154/Dinosaur_Menagerie&post_num=1781#332183490" target="_blank">index</a> of creatures after my first, but I will instead have to shift the info on the first posting elsewhere and post it there instead (<strong><em>UNLESS</em></strong> of course you would like to be the archivist in charge of keeping an up to date Index posting in your posting of #2, and shift one dinosaur down).</p><p></p><p>So to make it clear and taking in your comments, there are a few things every posting about a dino/prim should have:</p><p></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Consistent 3.5 stats (MMI formatted; not that Forgotten Realms crud, please) are to be determined utilizing OGL content and/or a specific feat, skill use, or ability that is clearly outlined either in legally respectful writing/paraphrasing (please get permissions for everything questionable <strong><em>you find</em></strong> created by an independent creator or forum user). Everything on the WotC forum, <a href="http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19547154/Dinosaur_Menagerie&post_num=1781#332183490" target="_blank">Dinosaur Menagerie</a>, and here on ENWorld is green lighted until further notice. (<em>I will personally get permissions from authors later for player and creature-oriented new stats already outlined on Dinosaur Menagerie.</em>) If you know about 4e and have the nerve I personally do not have to convert *cough* to the dark side *cough*, you may include them as a separate posting. Every 1000 or so postings we will create a new thread, as done in the conversions forum.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> Toughness is way over done for feat use; extra hp is ridiculously useless in a large-scale, large-creature primitive ecology and evolution.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Take careful consideration when posting an Environment and Organization statistics - these should be reviewed (by Rappy/Raptorial, if possible). There is a lot of room for error here unless you do some research about the critter. Also, please don't allow an unreasonable gap in Organization stats (ie, Solitary[1], pair[2], and herd 8-10); account for the 3 to whatever gap is less than a herd or whatever else. These kind of creatures do not usually come in tactical units, though a symbiotic relationship may apply - provide this is an accompanying text below combat, including the other creatures (usually a swarm of some form, like bug-eating birds, or swarming insects); list as a separate section of text, but in Organization you could include something like "Solitary, pair, herd 3-8, and symbiotic canary birds (see text below)".</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Don't include Level Adjustments (unnecessary for dinos/prims), even with a blank stat answer. Fictional creatures go to <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/homebrews/264367-dinopriminals-phantasy-prehistorium-nym-omarka.html" target="_blank">Phantasy Prehistorium</a> (ie, Giant <a href="http://www.enworld.org/cc/converted/view_t.php?TemplateID=22" target="_blank">Dire</a> Eomanis and Kaiju Eomanis, Eberron feaux dinos, etc.); not here.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Include a new stat: "<strong>Existed:</strong> ### MYA" listed as 'million years ago' and assumed to mean in real-world Earth's history (yes, those campaigns exist, and we are producing for them as well) - maybe below the name of the animal, or else where Level Adjustment usually goes - just not in the flavor text (which should be generic in that respect). Most users will be using these stats for fictional settings unrelated to Earth history, but it is nonetheless useful.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">All flavor and/or descriptive text I want reviewed by Raptorial (user:Rappy on here) and his/her discussion participants.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">There are amazing images out there, but please don't include them in the posting - a final art project will be undertaken to have the best outcome for the final product (web media included). After I get my wacom tablet, I will be doing some of them personally and I welcome rough draft suggestions by the artists themselves or members of DeviantArt or Elftown.com.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Though some popular dinos/prims have similar family members which might utilize the same stats, those should be limited to only genus members as the base race. All prioritized creatures here will be given stats if possible, and some race are necessary - all first priority are creatures already created needed thorough reviews and revisions. Variant 3.5 OGL creatures should include stats describing how they differ from the original OGL creature - all others statted normally (no need for Creatures as Characters or Society; Racial tendencies can be included in the body content if known or popularly assumed). Most priority creatures are present on the current WotC Index posting by Draco.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Please include fauna that you like, including invertebrates and aquatic or exotic races (designated either as animal, ooze or vermin), and any flora that you think would have specifically stat-worthy concept basis - but otherwise exclude plants and fungi. Please don't give us a walking, talking carnivorous plant - go the <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/homebrews/264367-dinopriminals-phantasy-prehistorium-nym-omarka.html" target="_blank">Prehistorium</a> instead.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Our index should be alphabetical by popular genus/species name, each with its separate stat (so no "Super Predator" listing) - including name, CR, Environment, and Category (type of dino or prim = ie, Carnosaur, Sauropod, Avian, Herd Animal, Wild Beast, etc. - I will post these choices soon and describe each)</li> </ol><p>Good? Also, I liked the dinos you posted at first glance, but didn't really get a chance to dig at them. I will look at them tonight. If Rappy turns me down over here, I am screwed - I know it. I may just cry, to be honest. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /> I don't know how I am going to get bhu over here either.</p><p>-will</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="xidoraven, post: 4955194, member: 60187"] Okay, this was the primary thing I wanted to raise, and everything else was second after this thought: Megaraptor is actually not in the same genus as Velociraptor, Deinonychus, or Utahraptor at all - it is actually a closer relative to Spinosaurus, a large carnosaur. The claw is on the front appendages because it is not even the same evolutionary framework as the famed hind-leg 'raptor claw'. I believe the Wikipedia article on it raises that point, but I know I read it somewhere when I was considering the basis of the dinopriminal, the Raptorinal (which utilizes the Utahraptor - a true 'raptor' family member, before anthropomorphosis). Think somewhat less large spinosaurid with a huge front claw and a significantly less prominent spinal crest in place of a sail. Okay, so now to business. First off, wow - you came in with a bang. I wasn't expecting a reply so quickly, though I should have. I was going to make a second posting to create an [URL="http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19547154/Dinosaur_Menagerie&post_num=1781#332183490"]index[/URL] of creatures after my first, but I will instead have to shift the info on the first posting elsewhere and post it there instead ([B][I]UNLESS[/I][/B] of course you would like to be the archivist in charge of keeping an up to date Index posting in your posting of #2, and shift one dinosaur down). So to make it clear and taking in your comments, there are a few things every posting about a dino/prim should have: [LIST=1] [*]Consistent 3.5 stats (MMI formatted; not that Forgotten Realms crud, please) are to be determined utilizing OGL content and/or a specific feat, skill use, or ability that is clearly outlined either in legally respectful writing/paraphrasing (please get permissions for everything questionable [B][I]you find[/I][/B] created by an independent creator or forum user). Everything on the WotC forum, [URL="http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19547154/Dinosaur_Menagerie&post_num=1781#332183490"]Dinosaur Menagerie[/URL], and here on ENWorld is green lighted until further notice. ([I]I will personally get permissions from authors later for player and creature-oriented new stats already outlined on Dinosaur Menagerie.[/I]) If you know about 4e and have the nerve I personally do not have to convert *cough* to the dark side *cough*, you may include them as a separate posting. Every 1000 or so postings we will create a new thread, as done in the conversions forum. [*] Toughness is way over done for feat use; extra hp is ridiculously useless in a large-scale, large-creature primitive ecology and evolution. [*]Take careful consideration when posting an Environment and Organization statistics - these should be reviewed (by Rappy/Raptorial, if possible). There is a lot of room for error here unless you do some research about the critter. Also, please don't allow an unreasonable gap in Organization stats (ie, Solitary[1], pair[2], and herd 8-10); account for the 3 to whatever gap is less than a herd or whatever else. These kind of creatures do not usually come in tactical units, though a symbiotic relationship may apply - provide this is an accompanying text below combat, including the other creatures (usually a swarm of some form, like bug-eating birds, or swarming insects); list as a separate section of text, but in Organization you could include something like "Solitary, pair, herd 3-8, and symbiotic canary birds (see text below)". [*]Don't include Level Adjustments (unnecessary for dinos/prims), even with a blank stat answer. Fictional creatures go to [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/homebrews/264367-dinopriminals-phantasy-prehistorium-nym-omarka.html"]Phantasy Prehistorium[/URL] (ie, Giant [URL="http://www.enworld.org/cc/converted/view_t.php?TemplateID=22"]Dire[/URL] Eomanis and Kaiju Eomanis, Eberron feaux dinos, etc.); not here. [*]Include a new stat: "[B]Existed:[/B] ### MYA" listed as 'million years ago' and assumed to mean in real-world Earth's history (yes, those campaigns exist, and we are producing for them as well) - maybe below the name of the animal, or else where Level Adjustment usually goes - just not in the flavor text (which should be generic in that respect). Most users will be using these stats for fictional settings unrelated to Earth history, but it is nonetheless useful. [*]All flavor and/or descriptive text I want reviewed by Raptorial (user:Rappy on here) and his/her discussion participants. [*]There are amazing images out there, but please don't include them in the posting - a final art project will be undertaken to have the best outcome for the final product (web media included). After I get my wacom tablet, I will be doing some of them personally and I welcome rough draft suggestions by the artists themselves or members of DeviantArt or Elftown.com. [*]Though some popular dinos/prims have similar family members which might utilize the same stats, those should be limited to only genus members as the base race. All prioritized creatures here will be given stats if possible, and some race are necessary - all first priority are creatures already created needed thorough reviews and revisions. Variant 3.5 OGL creatures should include stats describing how they differ from the original OGL creature - all others statted normally (no need for Creatures as Characters or Society; Racial tendencies can be included in the body content if known or popularly assumed). Most priority creatures are present on the current WotC Index posting by Draco. [*]Please include fauna that you like, including invertebrates and aquatic or exotic races (designated either as animal, ooze or vermin), and any flora that you think would have specifically stat-worthy concept basis - but otherwise exclude plants and fungi. Please don't give us a walking, talking carnivorous plant - go the [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/homebrews/264367-dinopriminals-phantasy-prehistorium-nym-omarka.html"]Prehistorium[/URL] instead. [*]Our index should be alphabetical by popular genus/species name, each with its separate stat (so no "Super Predator" listing) - including name, CR, Environment, and Category (type of dino or prim = ie, Carnosaur, Sauropod, Avian, Herd Animal, Wild Beast, etc. - I will post these choices soon and describe each) [/LIST] Good? Also, I liked the dinos you posted at first glance, but didn't really get a chance to dig at them. I will look at them tonight. If Rappy turns me down over here, I am screwed - I know it. I may just cry, to be honest. ;) :P I don't know how I am going to get bhu over here either. -will [/QUOTE]
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