Reincarnate & human bonus feat

[0-hr]

Does a human lose their bonus feat after being reincarnated (and turned into something like a goblin)?


What about a human reincarnated as a human? If they keep their bonus feat and gain the racial abilities of their new form, that seems a bit... unfair.

Do any other races have anything equivalent to the human bonus feat that would carry through reincarnation (other than mental stats adjustments)?

 

[blargney the second]

Feat go bye bye.
-blarg

 

[Vegepygmy]

Does a human lose their bonus feat after being reincarnated (and turned into something like a goblin)?

My understanding is that the "official" answer is yes, the bonus feat is lost (and bonus skill points, too). IMO, that makes no sense and is contrary to the spirit of the spell, but there you go.

What about a human reincarnated as a human? If they keep their bonus feat and gain the racial abilities of their new form, that seems a bit... unfair.

What racial abilities would a human reincarnated as another human gain (that he didn't already have)?

If you meant, wouldn't it be unfair for a human reincarnated as a non-human to keep its bonus feat and gain new non-human racial abilities...no, I don't think so. Given the enormous potential for reincarnate to completely hose your character, I think anybody who takes the risk should reap the reward if it turns out lucky.

 

[StreamOfTheSky]

My understanding is that the "official" answer is yes, the bonus feat is lost (and bonus skill points, too). IMO, that makes no sense and is contrary to the spirit of the spell, but there you go.

Yeah, I don't like that ruling at all. At the very least, it needs to be consistent: If human-->nonhuman loses skills and feat, a nonhuman->human would gain them. It's never come up, but I'd probably say a human retains feat and skill points (but will cease to gain extra ones for future levels), and a nonhuman turned human would not gain a feat and would gain +1 skill point each level up from then on (but none retroactively).

If you meant, wouldn't it be unfair for a human reincarnated as a non-human to keep its bonus feat and gain new non-human racial abilities...no, I don't think so. Given the enormous potential for reincarnate to completely hose your character, I think anybody who takes the risk should reap the reward if it turns out lucky.

Not only the risk, the fact that the results are pretty unfair to begin with, based on what you do and don't gain. Elf is terrible (-2 con will always hurt, -2 dex may not); dwarf is even better than normal (flat +2 con), half-orc (and orc, if it's on the list) are likewise all gain... IMO, no aspect of the reincarnate spell is "fair" except for the random roll.

 

[0-hr]

I think keeping the Human bonus feat is unfair as it grants a big advantage to Humans. In our campaign, we're considering making Reincarnate the only way to return from the dead, and the racial ability of humans to retain that feat would be a big plus for an already-popular racial choice. If someone else turned into a human didn't gain the feat either, that's an even bigger detriment to the demihumans of the world.

If anyone could direct me to the 'official' comment on the matter, I would like to read that.

 

[frankthedm]

Reincarnate is one of those spells a DM really needs to give careful consideration to in 3.0 and especially in 3.5. Previously Reincarnate was a bargain basement Raise Dead that usually gave the player time to realize a new character was in order or earmarked the next Wish spell the party found for turning the player back to normal.

Now that Reincarnate usually grants usable forms rather than pooch screwing the victim, er recipient, the DM has to be ready to rule on things like this and ECL should a player want to stay in the new form. I say anything that makes a person want to be his old race is a Good Thing ^TM, so "Buh~bye Human feat!".

 

[Kask]

Yeah, I don't like that ruling at all. At the very least, it needs to be consistent: If human-->nonhuman loses skills and feat, a nonhuman->human would gain them.

What you are overlooking is that the "feat" comes from longer term knowledge. If you are a spell caster and reincarnate, do you lose spell casting knowledge? If not, then you don't lose a known feat.

 

[FEADIN]

From the SRD:
.....A reincarnated creature recalls the majority of its former life and form. It retains any class abilities, feats, or skill ranks it formerly possessed. Its class, base attack bonus, base save bonuses, and hit points are unchanged. Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution scores depend partly on the new body. First eliminate the subject’s racial adjustments (since it is no longer of his previous race) and then apply the adjustments found below to its remaining ability scores.

It seems clear, you keep the feat.

 

[StreamOfTheSky]

What you are overlooking is that the "feat" comes from longer term knowledge. If you are a spell caster and reincarnate, do you lose spell casting knowledge? If not, then you don't lose a known feat.

I....agreed with you? I said I don't like ruling it as losing the feat?

Not that I buy that particular argument. If the feat comes from longer term knowledge, elves should get 2 bonus feats.

 

[0-hr]

Does an elf reincarnated as a human gain a human bonus feat?

Are there ANY other racial benefits that persists beyond the human feat and human skill ranks (particularily for playable races)?