D&D 5E RAKSASHA (Limited Magic Immunity) X Empyrean (Bolt)

[maritimo80]

The Raksasha monster (257 of MM) has the following skill below:


Limited Magic Immunity. The Rakshasa is immune to spells
of 6th level or lower unless options it wishes to be Affected. It has
advantage on saving throws against spells and all other
magical effects.


In our adventure, he is an NPC and is fighting with the group
evil, against a EMPYEREAN (130 Of MM) that has this attack below:


Bolt. Ranged Spell Attack: +15 to hit, 600ft range, one target..
Hit: 24 (7D6) damage of one of the Following types (empyrean's
· Choice): acid, co ld, fire, force, lightning, radiant, or thunder.



The BOLT of Empyrean (Ranged Attack Spell) but does not report on what level, or what magic is equivalent, hit or not Raksasha?

 

[jrowland]

As a first approximation, number of dice of damage are a clue as to level, so 7d6 is probably 7th level. Its not always true, of course, but its pretty close.

 

[maritimo80]

As a first approximation, number of dice of damage are a clue as to level, so 7d6 is probably 7th level. Its not always true, of course, but its pretty close.

I disagree, because this magic comes closest with a Lightinig Bolt, which is the third level.

And one more detail, approaches, or what magic? Does not have the BOLT magic in the PHB.

 

[the Jester]

It's not a spell, but rather another magical effect, so it would have advantage on any required save. Since there's no save, the rakshasa's limited magic immunity doesn't have any effect whatsoever.

Note that "Spell Attack" applies to any magical effect with an attack roll, not just spells, just as "Weapon Attack" applies to non-magical attacks, even those without actual weapons involved (e.g. claw and bite attacks).

 

[Dausuul]

The empyrean's bolt is treated as a ranged spell attack (as opposed to, say, a ranged weapon attack), but it is not actually a spell. The empyrean can fry the rakshasa.

 

[Savage Wombat]

I disagree, because this magic comes closest with a Lightinig Bolt, which is the third level.

Actually, it's closer to a powerful cantrip IMO. It's one target, rolls to-hit, and doesn't do considerably more damage than a 3d10 fire bolt.

I was originally thinking that it was just an attack, not a spell as such, but then I saw it specifically says "ranged spell attack" and I can't figure out how else they might have meant that.

 

[maritimo80]

Actually, it's closer to a powerful cantrip IMO. It's one target, rolls to-hit, and doesn't do considerably more damage than a 3d10 fire bolt.

I was originally thinking that it was just an attack, not a spell as such, but then I saw it specifically says "ranged spell attack" and I can't figure out how else they might have meant that.

Do you believe that the Empyrean hit the Raksasha with BOLT?

 

[maritimo80]

It's not a spell, but rather another magical effect, so it would have advantage on any required save. Since there's no save, the rakshasa's limited magic immunity doesn't have any effect whatsoever.

Note that "Spell Attack" applies to any magical effect with an attack roll, not just spells, just as "Weapon Attack" applies to non-magical attacks, even those without actual weapons involved (e.g. claw and bite attacks).

Do you believe that the Empyrean hit the Raksasha with BOLT?

Do you have others examples of monster to hit ?

 

[the Jester]

Do you believe that the Empyrean hit the Raksasha with BOLT?

Depends on what he rolled. But if he does hit, I don't think the rakshasa's limited spell immunity will help him.

Do you have others examples of monster to hit ?

Well, there's the will-o'-wisp, for starters.

There might be some magic items that use spell attacks, too, though I wouldn't swear to this.

 

[jodyjohnson]

Do you believe that the Empyrean hit the Raksasha with BOLT?

Do you as DM want the Empyrean to hit the Rakshasa?

By the rules I think it falls under DM adjudication.

IMO the best RAW answer is yes - the Bolt is not a spell.

Or RAI no - the Bolt is the same as a Cantrip, 3rd or 4th level spell.