quicken 1 round casting time spells?

[thorian]

If a spell has a casting time of 1 round, instead of 1 action, such as Summon Monster I-IX, can the quicken spell feat be applied to it? Quicken says it can be applied to a spell that is not more than 1 full-round action. In the magic section of the PHB under casting time, it says that a spell with a casting time of 1 round is a full-round action, so I would think it could be done. The DM of our group disagrees with me, however. Am I missing something?

 

[Thanee]

Your DM is right.

A spell with duration 1 round has a higher casting time than 1 full-round action and thus cannot be quickened.

The paragraph you are referring to means, that you spend a full-round action (as you cannot spend 1 round actions as such things don't exist), but goes on that the spell will take effect only after 1 complete round and that you are still in the process of casting during that time and hence can be disturbed.

Therefore you effectively spend more than a full-round action, just in game mechanics you expend "only" a full-round action and then continue casting until your next turn comes up.

Hope that's somewhat clear.

Bye
Thanee

 

[thorian]

If that is the case, then why does quicken spell state that you can not apply it to spells with a casting time of more than a full-round action? Shouldn't it say you can not apply quicken spell to spells with a casting time of more than 1 action casting time? That would seem to be much clearer. Although, the rules don't always seem to be written in the most precise manner. Perhaps it is just a case of poor wording.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Note that this is a change from 3E.

3E Quicken Spell stated that you could not Quicken a spell whose casting time was more than one full round.

This meant Summon Monster, for example, was Quickenable in 3E, but it is not in 3.5.

-Hyp.

 

[Darklone]

If that is the case, then why does quicken spell state that you can not apply it to spells with a casting time of more than a full-round action? Shouldn't it say you can not apply quicken spell to spells with a casting time of more than 1 action casting time? That would seem to be much clearer. Although, the rules don't always seem to be written in the most precise manner. Perhaps it is just a case of poor wording.

No... Once again, hopefully more clear.

A full-round action to cast a spell is different from a 1 round casting time. You can quicken a spell that takes a full round action to cast.... if there is one. But you cannot quicken a spell that takes 1 round to cast, even if a part of it is a full round action.

 

[Hypersmurf]

But you cannot quicken a spell that takes 1 round to cast...

... unless you're playing 3E

-Hyp.

 

[Darklone]

... unless you're playing 3E

-Hyp.

*frantically searching for the 3.0 designator...*

Phew, already thought I'd been too tired to stop brabbling in a 3.0 question about 3.5 rules...

 

[thorian]

From the PHB:

QUICKEN SPELL [METAMAGIC]
Benefit: Casting a quickened spell is a free action. You can perform another action, even casting another spell, in the same round as you cast a quickened spell. You may cast only one quickened spell per round. A spell whose casting time is more than 1 full round action cannot be quickened. A quickened spell uses up a spell slot four levels higher than the spell’s actual level. Casting a quickened spell doesn’t provoke an attack of opportunity.


3.5 PHB pg 174 under the heading Casting Time:
A spell that takes 1 round to cast is a full-round action. It comes into effect just before the beginning of your turn in the round after you began casting the spell.


It seems as though the text supports quickening of spells with casting times of 1 round. Is there any text supporting the converse?

 

[Hypersmurf]

Is there any text supporting the converse?

Go back to the top of the thread and read what the nice lady from Germany told you...

The paragraph you are referring to means, that you spend a full-round action (as you cannot spend 1 round actions as such things don't exist), but goes on that the spell will take effect only after 1 complete round and that you are still in the process of casting during that time and hence can be disturbed.

-Hyp.