Permanency and greater magic fang

[Sektat]

Is this correct:

A half-dragon which wants to have greater magic fang *permanently* cast on himself would have to pay:
for +3: 7500 gold (for the XP) + 1080 gold (3x12x30) = 8580 gold
for +4: 7500 gold (for the XP) + 1440 gold (3x16x30) = 8940 gold

What disturbes me is the small difference between +3 and +4. Do I forget something?

 

[Nifft]

IMHO the pricing should be along these lines: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/wondrousItems.htm#amuletofMightyFists

But double the price if it's slotless.

Cheers, -- N

 

[Hypersmurf]

Is the x3 because he wants two claws and one bite?

The cost for a single +3 Greater Magic Fang is 12x30 = 360. The cost for a single +4 Greater Magic Fang is 16x30 = 480.

The cost for a single Permanency on a single Greater Magic Fang is 11x50 = 550, plus 7500, for a total of 8050... assuming you want to go for the minimum caster level. Remember, the lower the caster level, the easier it is to dispel, so while your CL16 GMF might withstand dispels well, it's no good if the CL11 Permanency gets zapped. You'd be well-advised to find as high-level a caster as possible to cast your Permanencies.

So if you want GMF on two claws and one bite, you're looking at a minimum of 25230 for +3, or 26590 for +4, and more if you boost the CL on the Permanencies.

Of course, under 'Spellcasting Services', it notes that "If the additional costs put the spell’s total cost above 3,000 gp, that spell is not generally available." So you may have trouble finding someone to cast Permanency for hire.

-Hyp.

 

[Sektat]

> Is the x3 because he wants two claws and one bite?

No, it's from the spell level of "greater magic fang". I mean, somebody must actually cast the spell on the half-dragon, and so I took the cost from the list "spell services". There it says that it costs spell_level x caster_level x 30 gold for a 3. level spell. So for a minimum of +1 only on bite and both claws it would give spell_level (3) x caster_level (5) x 30 gold = 450 gold.

I forgot the cost for the spell to cast permanency: spell_level (5) x caster_level (11 minimum rule!) x 50 gold (for 5. level spells) = 2750

This in addition to the 7500 gold for the XPs. Giving a total of 10700 gold. Correct?

> The cost for a single Permanency on a single Greater Magic
> Fang is 11x50 = 550, plus 7500, for a total of 8050...

That doesnt seem correct, see above.

So for the question in the first post:
+3 (only on bite!): 11330 (only difference is the casterlevel for the GMF spell)
+4 (only on bite!): 11690
+5 (only on bite!): 12140

Soooo, it still seems ridiculous cheap the +5 compared to the +1/+2...

 

[Hypersmurf]

I took the cost from the list "spell services". There it says that it costs spell_level x caster_level x 30 gold for a 3. level spell.

No, it doesn't.

It costs caster level x 30 gold for a 3rd level spell.

I forgot the cost for the spell to cast permanency: spell_level (5) x caster_level (11 minimum rule!) x 50 gold (for 5. level spells) = 2750

This in addition to the 7500 gold for the XPs. Giving a total of 10700 gold. Correct?

No, because it costs caster level x 50 gold for a 5th level spell, not spell level x caster level x 50.

The general formula is effectively spell level x caster level x 10 gold (with 0 level spells counting as half). The table has simply factored spell level into the constant at each level - CL x 10 for 1st, CL x 20 for 2nd, CL x 30 for 3rd.

That doesnt seem correct, see above.

Read the table again. You've added spell level to the formula where it doesn't exist.

-Hyp.

 

[Sektat]

You're 100% right, I'm sorry. How could I missread that? (do not answer that question)
So that makes it even cheaper:
+3 (bite only): 7500 + (caster_level (11) x 50) + (caster_level (12) x 30) = 8410
+4 (bite only): 7500 + (caster_level (9) x 50) + (caster_level (16) x 30) = 8530

Still a small difference between +3 and +4.
The difference between a +3 weapon and a +4 weapon is 14000 gold.
The difference between a +3 bite and a +4 bite is 120 gold?!

I wonder: A dispel magic on a "permanent" spell, would that completly break the permanency, or only for a few rounds like a dispel magic on a magic item?

 

[Hypersmurf]

I wonder: A dispel magic on a "permanent" spell, would that completly break the permanency, or only for a few rounds like a dispel magic on a magic item?

It ends the spell as if the duration had expired. It's gone.

That's why 8000 gold for a permanent GMF is often considered a poor deal - one unlucky dispel, and you've got no 8000 gold, and no permanent GMF.

Plus, of course, the fact that Permanency is generally unavailable as a Spellcasting Service anyway, as the additional costs push the price above 3000gp.

-Hyp.

 

[Darklone]

If you pay so much money for Permanency, a ring of counterspelling with a Dispel Magic would be a good idea...

 

[DeathOfRats]

But then a ring of counterspelling Dispel Magic doesn't apply vs Greater Dispel Magic and all the other effects. You can get spellblades too on spikes, but how many different spells do you need to be protected against to cover all sins?

 

[mvincent]

8000 gold for a permanent GMF is often considered a poor deal - one unlucky dispel, and you've got no 8000 gold, and no permanent GMF.

That is why you get GMF +5 (i.e. Caster Level 20) for a few gp more. CL20 spells are effectively immune to regular dispel magic (the DC is too high).